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I can't agree with that. Automatic mode is universal for everyone who don't know about Manual settings. Always when you want to take better picture you have to use Manual.

You can do everything you do with manual with aperture and shutter priority automatics.

But most of all, doesn't make better pictures just because it's on manual, it's laughable to read this.
 
You can do everything you do with manual with aperture and shutter priority automatics.

But most of all, doesn't make better pictures just because it's on manual, it's laughable to read this.

I talking about to have better pictures not the best. iPhone camera isn't so good for it.
 
You can do everything you do with manual with aperture and shutter priority automatics.

But most of all, doesn't make better pictures just because it's on manual, it's laughable to read this.

Absolutely true, totally agree. It's rare seeing anyone shoot in manual mode; i.e. where the photographer sets both aperture and shutter speed.

I did that in the past using older film cameras, and when I shot 4x5 large format film. It does have it's place today, but that is definitely the exception. Most everyone I know, pro and serious shooter alike, use Aperture priority, where the photographer picks an aperture based on creative DOF needs and the camera automatically sets the shutter speed in order to get a proper exposure. Some shooters use Shutter Priority, for example when stopping motion is critical, say in motorsports photography.

With my dSLRs/mirrorless cams I use Aperture Priority in combination with Auto ISO. I pick the aperture I need for the depth of field I want, and my camera picks the shutter speed (subject to a minimum I preset) and the ISO, up to a maximum ISO I preset. It has never let me down.

With my iPhone I sometimes need to adjust the exposure in challenging light. Not a biggie, super easy to do.
 
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Cameras have an M setting for when automatics don't do what we want.

But the main thing was that you said that taking a photo in m mode would make a better photo. Nobody can take you seriously after that.

What a joke. No "pro" photographer uses automatic mode . It's quite simple, pros DSLRs don't come with an automatic mode ... setting ha ha ha......

What a silly silly statement, people use "M" when idiot mode does not do what we want ....lol

One question : have you ever owned a DSLR? If so, did it have an "auto" mode?

A good summary I borrowed from one of her photo forums I visit.

In manual mode, you can take the camera beyond the default maximum range of exposure compensation, by which I mean if you want to over- or underexpose by more than 2 stops, using manual mode is usually your only option (some cameras may allow 3 stops but even this is not enough in some cases). Additionally, if you are shooting in consistent lighting conditions, once you've set your camera up for the conditions, leaving the camera in manual means you won't need to meter every single subsequent shot. Finally, and this is more subjective, using full manual mode means you have full control over the exposure and you are not leaving it to the camera to decide. Cameras are getting better and better at working out exposure, but they will never be able to second guess the photographer's intentions.
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You can do everything you do with manual with aperture and shutter priority automatics.

But most of all, doesn't make better pictures just because it's on manual, it's laughable to read this.

Lol try shooting in extreme lighting conditions where the camera gets the metering wrong ....

This reminds me of the INS iPhone discussion .....
 
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What a joke. No "pro" photographer uses automatic mode . It's quite simple, pros DSLRs don't come with an automatic mode ... setting ha ha ha......

What a silly silly statement, people use "M" when idiot mode does not do what we want ....lol

One question : have you ever owned a DSLR? If so, did it have an "auto" mode?

A good summary I borrowed from one of her photo forums I visit.

In manual mode, you can take the camera beyond the default maximum range of exposure compensation, by which I mean if you want to over- or underexpose by more than 2 stops, using manual mode is usually your only option (some cameras may allow 3 stops but even this is not enough in some cases). Additionally, if you are shooting in consistent lighting conditions, once you've set your camera up for the conditions, leaving the camera in manual means you won't need to meter every single subsequent shot. Finally, and this is more subjective, using full manual mode means you have full control over the exposure and you are not leaving it to the camera to decide. Cameras are getting better and better at working out exposure, but they will never be able to second guess the photographer's intentions.
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Lol try shooting in extreme lighting conditions where the camera gets the metering wrong ....

This reminds me of the INS iPhone discussion .....

A few pro photographers: Paparazzi photographers, NFL/NBA/soccer shooters, motorsports shooters, wedding photographers, photojournalists, music/concert photographers, event photographers, real estate photographers, aerial photographers, CSI photographers, wildlife shooters, family portraiture photographers, bird photographers, food photographers, storm chasing photographers, travel shooters, etc…

All have their their cameras set to M, manual mode, when they're on the job, right?

Curious, are you a photographer?
 
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Which is why iOS 10 ships new APIs that gives third party developers access to RAW photo images.

"The new AVCapturePhotoOutput class provides a unified pipeline for all photography workflows, enabling more sophisticated control and monitoring of the entire capture process and including support for new features such as Live Photos and RAW format capture."

Hopefully, that will work well. It'd be nice to be able to use RAW images themselves directly.

I still would like Apple to fix the stock Camera app so I can take decent photos without filling my phone with RAW files and having to post-process them when I'm taking casual photos.
 
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A few pro photographers: Paparazzi photographers, NFL/NBA/soccer shooters, motorsports shooters, wedding photographers, photojournalists, music/concert photographers, event photographers, real estate photographers, aerial photographers, CSI photographers, wildlife shooters, family portraiture photographers, bird photographers, food photographers, storm chasing photographers, travel shooters, etc…

All have their their cameras set to M, manual mode, when they're on the job, right?

Curious, are you a photographer?

Read the thread mate. You are accusing me of something I never said!

This has gone too far. Im pointing out that you can take a better pic when you don't use Auto setting, cause you take control away from the camera. M gives you full control, to produce the image you want and not what the camera thinks is right. You take back the creativity

Never did I say people shoot in M, they do not , its rare!!!! that you would shoot in M, it's only used in conditions where the camera struggles with extreme light like shooting sporting events in gymnasiums with wooden floors . So when someone tells me an image with farked up white balance and yellow is better.... I disagree . A, S etc all these settings are semi manual , are you telling me they don't produce better images than auto.

If I can bothered to use M, I can produce a much better image , cause I have full control.

I do my share of shooting , and when I first started I was naive thinking good gear and auto produced good images, not until I learned to shoot in all the modes did I appreciate what photography is about, and when i had to use manual or custom settings I got pics I could not have. I like to shoot in low light conditions with fast primes.

Anyway , I'm not on here to explain to people why cameras have a manual mode. There are times we need to use it, most of the times we use the semi auto settings.
 
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I thought the two Apple commercials were lame, however the fighting above was fantastic.
 
Read the thread mate. You are accusing me of something I never said!

This has gone too far. Im pointing out that you can take a better pic when you don't use Auto setting, cause you take control away from the camera. M gives you full control, to produce the image you want and not what the camera thinks is right. You take back the creativity

Never did I say people shoot in M, they do not , its rare!!!! that you would shoot in M, it's only used in conditions where the camera struggles with extreme light like shooting sporting events in gymnasiums with wooden floors . So when someone tells me an image with farked up white balance and yellow is better.... I disagree . A, S etc all these settings are semi manual , are you telling me they don't produce better images than auto.

If I can bothered to use M, I can produce a much better image , cause I have full control.

I do my share of shooting , and when I first started I was naive thinking good gear and auto produced good images, not until I learned to shoot in all the modes did I appreciate what photography is about, and when i had to use manual or custom settings I got pics I could not have. I like to shoot in low light conditions with fast primes.

Anyway , I'm not on here to explain to people why cameras have a manual mode. There are times we need to use it, most of the times we use the semi auto settings.

Well, it was you who said pros do not use automatic exposure modes. Simply not true. I'll wager most use Aperture Priority, some Shutter priority. Both will automatically determine the correct exposure.

There's nothing magical about "manual mode." In the end the goal is to get a proper exposure for the scene in front of the camera, taking into account limited the dynamic range of the sensor or film used.

Let's say a proper exposure is f/5.6 at 125th of a second (one of many combinations that will yield a correct exposure). Of course that can be done in manual mode if you have time, something many "pros" do not have.

It can also be achieved in Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority auto exposure modes. Sometimes exposure compensation is needed to get the ideal exposure. But anyone with experience and who can read light or understand a histogram, will easily dial in the right amount of exposure compensation to get an ideal exposure value. Note that like Manual Mode, you still have full control of the exposure. And will easily achieve the same ideal exposure.
 
Well, it was you who said pros do not use automatic exposure modes. Simply not true. I'll wager most use Aperture Priority, some Shutter priority. Both will automatically determine the correct exposure.

There's nothing magical about "manual mode." In the end the goal is to get a proper exposure for the scene in front of the camera, taking into account limited the dynamic range of the sensor or film used.

Let's say a proper exposure is f/5.6 at 125th of a second (one of many combinations that will yield a correct exposure). Of course that can be done in manual mode if you have time, something many "pros" do not have.

It can also be achieved in Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority auto exposure modes. Sometimes exposure compensation is needed to get the ideal exposure. But anyone with experience and who can read light or understand a histogram, will easily dial in the right amount of exposure compensation to get an ideal exposure value. Note that like Manual Mode, you still have full control of the exposure. And will easily achieve the same ideal exposure.

we are talking about the same thing. Do you realise S , A and M can be referenced as manual modes, though I see you refer to all but M as automatic, I don't.

I will say it one last time, as you ignored the last post. No one shoots in m, no one , if you want to take the time to use it, you will get exactly the pic you want as you will control the aperture and shutter. That is all.

So to wrap this up, will a picture taken in A, S or M look better than one from a camera that has an full auto feature, that is the point here.

And looking back on this thread, I made a mistake in post 28, where I should have defined a, s and m as shooting Manual. Cause it seems some thought that meant m only, which is bollocks.
 
we are talking about the same thing. Do you realise S , A and M can be referenced as manual modes, though I see you refer to all but M as automatic, I don't.

I will say it one last time, as you ignored the last post. No one shoots in m, no one , if you want to take the time to use it, you will get exactly the pic you want as you will control the aperture and shutter. That is all.

So to wrap this up, will a picture taken in A, S or M look better than one from a camera that has an full auto feature, that is the point here.

And looking back on this thread, I made a mistake in post 28, where I should have defined a, s and m as shooting Manual. Cause it seems some thought that meant m only, which is bollocks.

Well, when talking about photography and cameras, if you use use the designator "M" in your writing, or the word "manual," it will be clear to most who are photographers you are speaking about a camera's true manual mode. It is on the mode dial of most dSLRs. There's no ambiguity about that.

Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority are automatic exposure modes, using a camera's auto-exposure system.

Again, that's clear to most, who are photographers, anyway.
 
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Well, when talking about photography and cameras, if you use use the designator "M" in your writing, or the word "manual," it will be clear to most who are photographers you are speaking about a camera's true manual mode. It is on the mode dial of most dSLRs. There's no ambiguity about that.

Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority are automatic exposure modes, using a camera's auto-exposure system.

Again, that's clear to most, who are photographers, anyway.

You are correct. Have a good weekend
 
Hopefully, that will work well. It'd be nice to be able to use RAW images themselves directly.

I still would like Apple to fix the stock Camera app so I can take decent photos without filling my phone with RAW files and having to post-process them when I'm taking casual photos.

What I hope is that some third party Camera app would simply allow a directly compressing RAW to JPEG and save it in your Photos library - without having the photos going through aggressive noise reductions, etc.
 
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