Apple Shifting to Intel Graphics for Future MacBooks and 13-Inch MacBook Pros?

[Yebubbleman]

It's hard to point who's at fault in all this, however.

The guy I quoted said ATI's drivers are worse than NVIDIA's. I'm not placing fault, just citing facts.

i have a macbook pro but i don't know how to check Intel Graphics card, is there any guides ?

Go to System Profiler (Click the Apple Menu, then About this Mac, then More Info), click the graphics tab, read the result. Boom.

 

[wjlafrance]

Hum, Mercedes isn't just "more expensive". You get what you pay for. If you want to stand there and claim a Honda Accord and a SLK Mercedes are just "cars", it just means you aren't Mercedes' customer, not that they are overpriced. There's a serious problem in your shopping habits if you compare both those models together and buy the Accord thinking "Wow, that Mercedes sure was overpriced for getting from point A to point B".

Mercedes ARE overpriced for getting from A to B. I'm not in the market for a Mercedes so I won't give you the illusion that I have the faintest idea how expensive they are, but I'm sure they're more expensive than the $300 Cherokee that was my first vehicle, or the $4,000 Sebring I drive now.

I live in the Wisconsin Dells, WI area and commute to Madison, WI four days a week for school. For those who don't want to look at a map to see what I'm getting at, it's an hours drive each way. I would say my experience in this car is more than point A to point B - it's a significant chunk of my day. This time is filled with listening to music through an aftermarket stereo with an aux-port that I jury-rigged in two days after purchasing the vehicle (dear manufacturers: bring back tape decks). I can't think of any luxury features I would want in this car that would make it a better drive without distracting me from driving, except slightly more comfortable seats. Maybe I'll get a Mercedes seat from a junk yard. *shrug*

If I had $30,000 (which it looks like they can hit easily, from a quick Googling), I'd put it towards a house, not a car. I sleep in houses.

 

[iEdd]

Mercedes ARE overpriced for getting from A to B.

...if you're not interested in cars, sure. But isn't a bus ticket even cheaper than your cheap car?

If I had $30,000 (which it looks like they can hit easily, from a quick Googling), I'd put it towards a house, not a car. I sleep in houses.

Haha, you probably could get a Merc as cheap as $30k in the US. Gotta love America. As an example, I know you guys pay a measly $48k for a Porsche Boxter that costs $100k over here.

 

[Perdification]

What is this "car" thing doing here?

 

[tigress666]

What is this "car" thing doing here?

*laugh* some one used it as an analogy, and other people argued it wasn't a good one, and then you get some one like me who loves cars and just couldn't resist putting her opinion on cars in general and then some one else piping up their car experience with the cars being used as an example.

All I gotta say is yes, Mercedes you do pay some for name. But it is still higher quality than a Hyundai *shrug* (I'm talking Mercedes, not high end cars in general. I realize sometimes you don't get better quality if you pay more. But you certainly aren't going to get super quality for a cheap price, you get what you pay for really comes into play when you are talking cheap items, not expensive ones. Only companies that don't give you what you pay for when they charge cheap prices are ones that will put themselves out of business. I guess a better saying is you won't get much more than what you pay for).

 

[wjlafrance]

...if you're not interested in cars, sure. But isn't a bus ticket even cheaper than your cheap car?

I don't think they have busses that run that way, and they're pretty inconvenient anyhow.

 

[Perdification]

*laugh* some one used it as an analogy, and other people argued it wasn't a good one, and then you get some one like me who loves cars and just couldn't resist putting her opinion on cars in general and then some one else piping up their car experience with the cars being used as an example.

All I gotta say is yes, Mercedes you do pay some for name. But it is still higher quality than a Hyundai *shrug* (I'm talking Mercedes, not high end cars in general. I realize sometimes you don't get better quality if you pay more. But you certainly aren't going to get super quality for a cheap price, you get what you pay for really comes into play when you are talking cheap items, not expensive ones. Only companies that don't give you what you pay for when they charge cheap prices are ones that will put themselves out of business. I guess a better saying is you won't get much more than what you pay for).

Nice analogy! I didn't know we could draw parallels between MBs and cars. Oh well, just saying.

 

[wjlafrance]

What is this "car" thing doing here?

My 6-cylinder runs faster than my graphics card but with less performance per watt.

 

[KnightWRX]

Mercedes ARE overpriced for getting from A to B.

Again, it's not overpriced, it's just not what you want in a car. Same as computers. Apple is not overpriced because your needs are filled by a 200$ computer, it's just not what you want in a computer.

You guys really don't understand what overpriced means and fail at analogies to boot.

 

[Galatian]

Again, it's not overpriced, it's just not what you want in a car. Same as computers. Apple is not overpriced because your needs are filled by a 200$ computer, it's just not what you want in a computer.

You guys really don't understand what overpriced means and fail at analogies to boot.

I understand just fine. We drive a Mercedes. I would never buy an American, Japanese, British and especially no French Car.
Now of course the VW would have gotten me from A to B but I was willing to pay x-amount of money more to have more style.

Same with Mac. I didn't want a slobby looking Windows Notebook anymore (in the analogy those would be different countries) so I settled on Apple Notebooks (German cars in our analogy). OF course for my need the white MB would have been fine (VW) but I wanted more style so purchased a 15" MBP (Mercedes Benz).
Now don't tell me you don't buy your Apple product because it has a lifestyle factor. That's bull. Yes it is convenient and looks nice and all, but when it comes down to it, you are willing to pay the price premium because it is an APPLE. It is a statement...you want to show off...same with Mercedes. I don't need it, but it feels good when the top is down in the summer and you just know that people are impressed. Don't lie to yourself...

 

[pr5owner]

I understand just fine. We drive a Mercedes. I would never buy an American, Japanese, British and especially no French Car.
Now of course the VW would have gotten me from A to B but I was willing to pay x-amount of money more to have more style.

Same with Mac. I didn't want a slobby looking Windows Notebook anymore (in the analogy those would be different countries) so I settled on Apple Notebooks (German cars in our analogy). OF course for my need the white MB would have been fine (VW) but I wanted more style so purchased a 15" MBP (Mercedes Benz).
Now don't tell me you don't buy your Apple product because it has a lifestyle factor. That's bull. Yes it is convenient and looks nice and all, but when it comes down to it, you are willing to pay the price premium because it is an APPLE. It is a statement...you want to show off...same with Mercedes. I don't need it, but it feels good when the top is down in the summer and you just know that people are impressed. Don't lie to yourself...

is that VW made in mexico or wolfsburg? HUGE difference...

also people dont understand that if you dont like windows just install another OS, ubuntu literally takes 10 mins to install

hardware and software are 2 different things, most of you keep forgetting that.

 

[Galatian]

is that VW made in mexico or wolfsburg? HUGE difference...

also people dont understand that if you dont like windows just install another OS, ubuntu literally takes 10 mins to install

hardware and software are 2 different things, most of you keep forgetting that.

Yes but the design and the quality standard comes from Germany. That's a difference! Same with Apple. Their design comes from Cuppertino and so does their idea of quality. Why do you think we don't have a white iPhone 4 at the moment?

Of course you are right about the Mac/Windows/Linux/OSwhatever thing. It's just that people still think of an Mac as...well...a Mac with it's own hard and software. Of course right now it really is only a difference in software when it comes down to it, but the hardware is still designed by Apple and that's what I still acknowledge. It's like saying who cares about what car brand it is, they are all made of steel/aluminum.

 

[alent1234]

Yes but the design and the quality standard comes from Germany. That's a difference! Same with Apple. Their design comes from Cuppertino and so does their idea of quality. Why do you think we don't have a white iPhone 4 at the moment?

Of course you are right about the Mac/Windows/Linux/OSwhatever thing. It's just that people still think of an Mac as...well...a Mac with it's own hard and software. Of course right now it really is only a difference in software when it comes down to it, but the hardware is still designed by Apple and that's what I still acknowledge. It's like saying who cares about what car brand it is, they are all made of steel/aluminum.

After looking at he vw tougen or wharves it's called, buying a crv was easy. Vw was a tiny overpriced piece of junk

 

[Yebubbleman]

I understand just fine. We drive a Mercedes. I would never buy an American, Japanese, British and especially no French Car.
Now of course the VW would have gotten me from A to B but I was willing to pay x-amount of money more to have more style.

Same with Mac. I didn't want a slobby looking Windows Notebook anymore (in the analogy those would be different countries) so I settled on Apple Notebooks (German cars in our analogy). OF course for my need the white MB would have been fine (VW) but I wanted more style so purchased a 15" MBP (Mercedes Benz).
Now don't tell me you don't buy your Apple product because it has a lifestyle factor. That's bull. Yes it is convenient and looks nice and all, but when it comes down to it, you are willing to pay the price premium because it is an APPLE. It is a statement...you want to show off...same with Mercedes. I don't need it, but it feels good when the top is down in the summer and you just know that people are impressed. Don't lie to yourself...

See, spending money on style just doesn't seem sensible, especially when so much of that is subjective. Externally, I see an Accord (current generation mind you) or even a low-end Acura as being just as cool looking as a modern day Mercedes. Interior might be another story, but you can still make the interior look comparably nice and and save THOUSANDS of dollars!

With regards to the Mac, I'm paying for the platform and ease of running it, not the hardware. For $1000, I could buy an i7 laptop with faster innards by far than the white Core 2 Duo based MacBook that I'd buy on Apple's low-end. So what am I paying for there? Unibody engineering, sure. 10-hour battery, sure. But is that worth the $400-500 difference in price between that and its MacBook equivalent? What else am I paying for?

After looking at he vw tougen or wharves it's called, buying a crv was easy. Vw was a tiny overpriced piece of junk

German cars are overpriced for what they are.

 

[pr5owner]

After looking at he vw tougen or wharves it's called, buying a crv was easy. Vw was a tiny overpriced piece of junk

the tiguan? that is the STUPIDEST design ive ever seen in an SUV, a small 2.0L Turbo engine to pull something thats 3500lbs? there is 0 turbo boost until you hit something close to 2000rpm, which means any precision maneuvering thats needed to be done is impossible, you have no power when you are trying to climb over something as simple as a curb, then when you give it more gas and hit 2Krpm you get a surge of power causing you to jump over and possibly crash into something.

what a stupid vehicle, also its more expensive than the rest of the competition with less features.

 

[wjlafrance]

Again, it's not overpriced, it's just not what you want in a car. Same as computers. Apple is not overpriced because your needs are filled by a 200$ computer, it's just not what you want in a computer.

You guys really don't understand what overpriced means and fail at analogies to boot.

A Mercedes is more than you need for going from A to B, and therefore overpriced for that specific purpose.

 

[Yebubbleman]

A Mercedes is more than you need for going from A to B, and therefore overpriced for that specific purpose.

Actually, that brings up a great point. In what way, excluding practically worthless things like brand-name and style is a Mercedes NOT overpriced for what it is. Save for its ability to run OS X without extensive patching a la Hackintoshing, how are Macs not overpriced as far as computers go? In what way, excluding the aforementioned, style and brand name are Macs not overpriced? Sure Unibody engineering and 10-hour battery lives are incredible, but worth the premium? No way.

 

[iEdd]

Sure Unibody engineering and 10-hour battery lives are incredible, but worth the premium? No way.

You kidding? Everything is better. The battery life, the unibody, the glass coated screens, the keyboard, the trackpad, the torque required to move the hinge, the magsafe charger, the magnetic latch. Oh, and the lack of colour-coded audio I/O jacks.

Maybe if you go from generic PC to Mac you don't notice those things, but when I go from Mac to something else (including expensive PC notebooks), it feels like a cheap flimsy POS.

 

[Hisdem]

You kidding? Everything is better. The battery life, the unibody, the glass coated screens, the keyboard, the trackpad, the torque required to move the hinge, the magsafe charger, the magnetic latch. Oh, and the lack of colour-coded audio I/O jacks.

Maybe if you go from generic PC to Mac you don't notice those things, but when I go from Mac to something else (including expensive PC notebooks), it feels like a cheap flimsy POS.

This is exactly what I think. My brother has a top of the line i7 Vaio, and it feels cheap next to my MBP, even if it is much more powerful. Obviously, he doesn't feel the same way when he uses my MBP.

 

[Yebubbleman]

You kidding? Everything is better. The battery life, the unibody, the glass coated screens, the keyboard, the trackpad, the torque required to move the hinge, the magsafe charger, the magnetic latch. Oh, and the lack of colour-coded audio I/O jacks.

Maybe if you go from generic PC to Mac you don't notice those things, but when I go from Mac to something else (including expensive PC notebooks), it feels like a cheap flimsy POS.

I work at a computer repair shop. At home, I have an Early 2006 iMac, I'm saving up for a 15" MacBook Pro, and I'm building a PC tower for gaming. At work, I fix anything from Macs (both current and old) to Dells, to HPs, to Lenovos, to Asus. I see the whole spectrum of computers coming in and what they look like under the hood.

First off, the torque required to move the hinge is easy on all of them nowadays. Trust me, I've played with them all. MagSafe is rad, I'll grant you, but not $500-1000 rad. Save for backlighting (and again, do we really NEED that?), there's nothing special about the keyboards. Ports on laptops haven't been color-coded on PCs in years. Why do I need a magnetic latch? I mean, don't get me wrong, some of that stuff is nice and I'm happy it's there, but it is really worth THAT large of a premium? I'll pay it because no one else is selling a computer with Mac OS X on it. Frankly, if I could buy an Asus or a Lenovo laptop with the ability to run Mac OS X, I'd have a really hard time justifying the purchase of one made by Apple with that much of a price difference.

This is exactly what I think. My brother has a top of the line i7 Vaio, and it feels cheap next to my MBP, even if it is much more powerful. Obviously, he doesn't feel the same way when he uses my MBP.

Sony Vaios are cheap in general. Use a brand new Lenovo or Asus and while it might not have the look and feel of the MacBook Pro, they definitely LOOK and FEEL far COOLER than the Vaio. Though really, who the hell buys their computers based on "look" "feel" and whether or not it's "cool". The damn thing is a tool. Sure you enjoy and use it and it's a part of your life, but some people here really take that to an extreme.

Before assumptions are made, I am a Mac user, I own an iMac, I will own a MacBook Pro and I appreciate how Macs look. I just wouldn't spend money on superficial features if I had the option not to.

 

[Hisdem]

Sony Vaios are cheap in general. Use a brand new Lenovo or Asus and while it might not have the look and feel of the MacBook Pro, they definitely LOOK and FEEL far COOLER than the Vaio. Though really, who the hell buys their computers based on "look" "feel" and whether or not it's "cool". The damn thing is a tool. Sure you enjoy and use it and it's a part of your life, but some people here really take that to an extreme.

Before assumptions are made, I am a Mac user, I own an iMac, I will own a MacBook Pro and I appreciate how Macs look. I just wouldn't spend money on superficial features if I had the option not to.

I see your point. Trust me, if I had a cheaper option to run OS X natively without any hacking, I would have opted for it.

 

[pr5owner]

You kidding? Everything is better. The battery life, the unibody, the glass coated screens, the keyboard, the trackpad, the torque required to move the hinge, the magsafe charger, the magnetic latch. Oh, and the lack of colour-coded audio I/O jacks.

Maybe if you go from generic PC to Mac you don't notice those things, but when I go from Mac to something else (including expensive PC notebooks), it feels like a cheap flimsy POS.

the lack of color coded jacks? What? you mean your missing a jack? how the hell do you use a headset with a mic? you cant. the mic on your laptop isnt nearly as good as a noise canceling mic on a headset

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=12701677

this what you call better? lack of functionality? dont even get me started on melting magsafe adapters

 

[Yebubbleman]

I see your point. Trust me, if I had a cheaper option to run OS X natively without any hacking, I would have opted for it.

I'm with you on this one. Were there that option, I might buy a Mac once every seven years and just stick with the alternative otherwise. Even then, I couldn't justify buying the Apple-branded hardware, as rad as it is.

the lack of color coded jacks? What? you mean your missing a jack? how the hell do you use a headset with a mic? you cant. the mic on your laptop isnt nearly as good as a noise canceling mic on a headset

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=12701677

this what you call better? lack of functionality? dont even get me started on melting magsafe adapters

The answer here is clearly a USB headset, which would be superior to the audio jack headset anyway. I see your point and wholeheartedly agree, though I don't use the second jack often, it SHOULD be there.

 

[Dalton63841]

how the hell do you use a headset with a mic? you cant.

Just a quick note here. You can in fact use a headset with a mic. I used to have a telecommunications job, and they actually required us to use a USB headset with mic, not the ones that use audio jacks. There are some very good noise cancelling USB headsets out there.

EDIT: Looks like Yebubbleman beat me to this...

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Actually, that brings up a great point. In what way, excluding practically worthless things like brand-name and style is a Mercedes NOT overpriced for what it is. Save for its ability to run OS X without extensive patching a la Hackintoshing, how are Macs not overpriced as far as computers go? In what way, excluding the aforementioned, style and brand name are Macs not overpriced? Sure Unibody engineering and 10-hour battery lives are incredible, but worth the premium? No way.

Actually, since you mention it, I find that Apple is right -- battery life makes a huge difference in the usability of iPods, iPhones, and Macs. Lucky for Apple that the competition took so long to get this. (And, in many cases, still doesn't.)