Apple should be scared

[ProwlingTiger]

Blackberrys dont have the Apple logo on the back. The iPhone is automatically the winner

Seriously though, as others have said, come July we'll see a flood of applications that will bring the iPhone up. Plus, Apple already included a scientific calculator in the 2.0 firmware

 

[iPhil]

Here's a snip of info on Apple/ATT agreement:


The latest estimates have "unlocked" iPhones costing Apple over $1 billion in lost revenue the next 3 years. Apple's (AAPL) AT&T (T) tie-up in the US is for another 4 years, meaning the company will continue to not realize monthly revenue, estimated at $120 annually per subscriber from phones "unlocked" for use on other carriers.





Full article is here....

That would hold water if there wasn't a statement made yesterday by AT&T about the revenues. I'd give you a link but I can't bc I'm posting from my Curve. Just Google "iPhone and AT&T" and click on "news".

And my previous post still applies since the lost in "revenues" for ATT doesn't mean Verizon or any other cell carrier will get the iPhone before 2012... Only after Apple/ATT deal is done then another cell carriers in US will be able to carry the iPhone on their networks...




one of the few "iPhone and AT&T" stories...

^^
That story doesn't say that Verizon or anyone else besides ATT is getting iPhones for their carrier until 2012.....

 

[Michael CM1]

All Apple has to be worried about is people not wanting to pay $30 for unlimited data to AT&T. It's just dishonest of Steve to come out and say "half the price!" but actually it's costing you more in the long run.

The App store is the iPhone's saving grace. It will put other similar phones to shame.

That's what is making me thankful I have an iPhone now. $20 more for data was kind of stretching it for me. Tacking on another $10, making it about $75/month (after all the fees they tack on) EVERY MONTH. That's not cheaper.

I have this feeling that Apple will start working toward multiple carriers. This whole "it's cheaper but it really isn't" doesn't feel like Apple. It feels like paying $15 for a movie on the iTunes store. If they open it up to the U.S. competitors, maybe someone will have a cheaper plan.

 

[zap2]

And I beleive 3g will take away the CDMA/gsm complications..

I think thats 4G(they are both moving to LTE which is an evolution pattern of GSM)....Verizon uses EVDO for 3G, which is CMDA 3G, while AT&T uses HSPDA/UMTS which is GSM based for 3G

 

[BongoBanger]

It's the other way around. They're bringing Exchange 07 to iPhone. THey're baking it into the OS by WWDC 09. They're giving you Enterprise level Push features. whilst the 3G iPhone might not have flash, or might not have front facing cam - it's got a LOT going for it.

You do realise that most Nokia E and N Series phones have had MS Exchange since about 2005, don't you? It's not exactly a new feature on non-MS smartphones.

GPS makers are nervous

And have been for some time since a lot of phones have had GPS for over two years.

it's showing Enterprise it can do everything bar have a physical keyboard that RIM does and then some

Except copy and paste, MMS, blutooth transfer, SDHC hot swap, tethering, etc.

it's giving .mac users enterprise level functions.

Which is nice if you can't already ge these on Google for free. Which you can.

It's got sync in the bag to mac AND PC outflanking Windows' Mesh. Come App Store etc, we'll see

Ah yes, the App store. That would be the new App store as opposed to the established App stores all the other main manufacturers have?

There's a lot of hype about the iPhone for business and I'm sure it'll get some but I think people need to realise that this is an established market. It's not a case of Apple breezing in because a lot of phones can already do what it does and more and there exist countless apps for these phones already.

 

[NAG]

You can also make a toaster into a phone and give it lots of apps. Doesn't mean it is easy to use.

 

[ellsworth]

Just wait until the app store comes....

nuff said

 

[kdarling]

I wonder why they want to hide radio diagrams and antenna stuff?

Because they always do. Even for WiFi routers.

I take it this is the first Apple FCC filing you've ever seen.

 

[Siron]

it's showing Enterprise it can do everything bar have a physical keyboard that RIM does

My wife has a Blackberry and every time I use it I wonder at how people use that small, crappy, horrible (and I hate to call it a )"keyboard". I cringe at how it's so terrible to use. My wife asked me to forward an email to my home email account. I finally found how to click on Forward but could I find a way to navigate to the address book - no way. I finally ended up entering my name into the Too field and it finally "found" my email address.
HORRIBLE INTERFACE RIM need to be afraid, really afraid.
Alan

 

[StingerT125]

Yeah, I agree with the iPhone platform/interface being what really distinguishes it. Add to that the ease of application development with the release of the SDK and I think this thing can be killer. I use a Blackberry from work, admittedly an older model, but I don't like the interface at all.

 

[Stang68]

That story doesn't say that Verizon or anyone else besides ATT is getting iPhones for their carrier until 2012.....

The deal with AT&T is NOT for 5 years. If you work at an Apple Store, you get a memo saying that the deal is only for two years. I swear I am not making this up...but you obv wont believe me. The contract IS going to be up in June of 2009. Mark my words. I have no evidence other than a few people I know who work at some Apple stores. Go in and ask a genius in a store and MAYBE they will tell you.

Im not lying...I swear!

 

[t0mat0]

You do realise that most Nokia E and N Series phones have had MS Exchange since about 2005, don't you? It's not exactly a new feature on non-MS smartphones.
And have been for some time since a lot of phones have had GPS for over two years.
Except copy and paste, MMS, blutooth transfer, SDHC hot swap, tethering, etc.
Which is nice if you can't already ge these on Google for free. Which you can.
Ah yes, the App store. That would be the new App store as opposed to the established App stores all the other main manufacturers have?
There's a lot of hype about the iPhone for business and I'm sure it'll get some but I think people need to realise that this is an established market. It's not a case of Apple breezing in because a lot of phones can already do what it does and more and there exist countless apps for these phones already.

BongoBanger - all good points

Nokia haven't exactly bragged about it to the general public via a keynote though have they? I'd be curious to actually see the actual usage of MS Exchange on Nokia E & N Series. Something Nokia must have somewhere as a bunch of stats somewhere. I don't doubt Apple wasn't first. Maybe go so far as implement MS Exchange so it's easily usable?

C&P is missing, aye - software come July 11?
MMS - Apple could, but might not. An app could. July 11th potential
BT - Yeah - Bearing in mind the caveat *Subject to change - we darn hope those specs are subject to change
SDHC hot swap/
Tethering? It's totally untethered. It's a proto-desktop on 3.5 inches. It'd be cool, yes, but then wouldn't Apple want you on a laptop with 3G/WiMax etc when they update?
App Store - Show me a decent photo of the major manufacturer, as it looks on their best selling model phone. Then compare with the App Store for iPhone, and then we'll have a comparison. How many N Series users haven't really done more than 1-2 game buys? Apple's App store has good chances of being "impulse-buy friendly".

What can you get on Google? - Didn't quite understand
The RIM market has been stagnant - what was it's competition? And where did RIM come from? It was a spotty adolescent of an Enterprise company once too!
We'll see penetration come MWSF to give it 6 or so months. As for breezing in - the keynote showed 35% penetration into the Fortune 500, to get them signed up to the BETA program. Not even the actual deal - this was the bug full version. You can't really diss all those quotes, can you?
To see it another way, there might be quantity, but Apple is doing quality pretty darn well looking at the preview we've had. Venerable players in the areas that Apple is moving into, but that don't mean too much when it boils down to it - it's the whole experience.

 

[Stang68]

Oh man...I just found this on a Blackberry forums called "Crackberry.com". They are having a similar conversation like us. Here is what he had to say:

"I watch the keynotes and wwdc's with giddy, why? Apple does bring out cool s***, but I keep seeing Apple FAIL. They bring out ok stuff, leaving the good features for later on, to get more money. Thus why in my opinion, Apple will stay under Microsoft. I was a huge Apple fan, now, I don't care. The Macs are cool, but OS X is the only killer app/thing other than the ipod they have. The iphone is just an ipod with phone features. People act like iphone 2.0 will kill RIM and bb's. HAH! The iPhone is NOT a smart phone, I don't care what everybody says. It lack of freedom, general features that other smart phones have, leave it a pretty Apple gadget that wants to be a Blackberry. I want me a Bold or Thunder, don't know which yet."

Oh no he didnt! Now that is going overboard! And remember...dont shoot the messenger!

 

[NAG]

Well yes, the iPhone is just an iPod touch with GPS and 3g/phone features. Kind of odd that this makes it bad. Maybe they don't know what features the iPod touch has. *shrugs*

 

[mojohanna]

All Apple has to be worried about is people not wanting to pay $30 for unlimited data to AT&T. It's just dishonest of Steve to come out and say "half the price!" but actually it's costing you more in the long run.

The App store is the iPhone's saving grace. It will put other similar phones to shame.

When are you people going to get it through your thick freakin heads that Apple and Steve Jobs have nothing to do with setting at&t's pricing? Apple has done their part in lowering the acquisition cost of the phone. What you do with it and what plan you decide to put it on is up to you.
Additionally, as others have said, you are getting faster service as well as apps and other features that will use more bandwidth than the typical user. You end up paying more.

This is not a conspiracy as many of you would make it out to be. Petitions are not going to do crap. Writing letters to Apple or Steve Jobs is not going to do crap. What more do you want??

If you think you absolutely need an iphone that badly and you can't afford the ext $10-$15 a month, maybe you need to rethink your priorities and not be so worried about your image. I can't imagine that an average user of a phone would need all of the features of the iphone or any other "smart phone". Everyone just sees what they assume to be powerful business people using smart phones and they think they need one to. This is excellent marketing by the phone companies and the very problem with american consumerism.

 

[buccsmf1]

Just wait until the app store comes....

agreed. i think its still way to early to decided on this new iphone until the app store comes out. the iphone has unprecedented software support and I'm anxious to see what it can do when all these developers release their apps.

 

[Stang68]

agreed. i think its still way to early to decided on this new iphone until the app store comes out. the iphone has unprecedented software support and I'm anxious to see what it can do when all these developers release their apps.

Yea, I agree with this.

 

[joejoejoe]

People need to stop saying that complaining about the camera is invalid.

It is a TOTALLY VALID complaint. Apple has had a full YEAR to improve the iPhone and put it ahead of competition. We're talking technology here, in this market, hardware is constantly improving and getting cheaper. Apple couldn't even update the camera to be better quality? I imagine it would cost them close to nothing and take up the same if not LESS space than the current camera they are using.

I understand keeping memory where it is. Knowing Apple they will probably ride out the iPhone 3G through Christmas and then update the memory. But come on, the camera was an easy fix. Especially with all these apps that are going to be using the camera... come on Apple.

And what about the Phone's new profile? It looks fatter than the current iPhone with the 'thinner edges'. Apple's design team always, always makes second gen products look better than the first... looks like they went backwards this time.

 

[t0mat0]

My wife has a Blackberry and every time I use it I wonder at how people use that small, crappy, horrible (and I hate to call it a )"keyboard". I cringe at how it's so terrible to use. My wife asked me to forward an email to my home email account. I finally found how to click on Forward but could I find a way to navigate to the address book - no way. I finally ended up entering my name into the Too field and it finally "found" my email address.
HORRIBLE INTERFACE RIM need to be afraid, really afraid.
Alan

I wonder why RIM got a touchscreen model rushed out into production...
Screen size anyone? Even at the thumbnail size on the MR forum I can ID the calendar, phone, ipod and text buttons. RIM's look dark as hell. The benefits of screen space. 1 drawback, many advantages.

 

[aforty]

Well, many, many people rarely, if ever, travel out of the U.S.

Fail.

 

[NT1440]

what you forget to mention is that none of those phones that are "threats" to the iphone have the best UI ever implemented in a phone.

ive used several of the released "iphone killers" and big suprise, its either annoying menu navigations, or the crappiest thing to happen to phones ever, windows mobile

 

[CrazEtooN]

Oh man...I just found this on a Blackberry forums called "Crackberry.com". They are having a similar conversation like us. Here is what he had to say:

"I watch the keynotes and wwdc's with giddy, why? Apple does bring out cool s***, but I keep seeing Apple FAIL. They bring out ok stuff, leaving the good features for later on, to get more money. Thus why in my opinion, Apple will stay under Microsoft. I was a huge Apple fan, now, I don't care. The Macs are cool, but OS X is the only killer app/thing other than the ipod they have. The iphone is just an ipod with phone features. People act like iphone 2.0 will kill RIM and bb's. HAH! The iPhone is NOT a smart phone, I don't care what everybody says. It lack of freedom, general features that other smart phones have, leave it a pretty Apple gadget that wants to be a Blackberry. I want me a Bold or Thunder, don't know which yet."

Oh no he didnt! Now that is going overboard! And remember...dont shoot the messenger!

I currently have a BlackBerry and I happen to frequent CrackBerry.com. I called the guy out on pretty much every one of his "points" in the thread you happened to come across. He came back and instead of presenting a valid debate, decided to personally insult me...

Over the past 3 weeks, I have lost a lot of respect for the community at CrackBerry. They used to be pretty cool, but since the 3G iPhone I-Day got closer, they have all started to get more aggressive in their iPhone hate. Now that is actually out, many people are talking about switching, and they are being bombarded with ding dongs like the one you quoted passing misleading information onto them.

It really has become a pretty comical place.

 

[NT1440]

People need to stop saying that complaining about the camera is invalid.

It is a TOTALLY VALID complaint. Apple has had a full YEAR to improve the iPhone and put it ahead of competition. We're talking technology here, in this market, hardware is constantly improving and getting cheaper. Apple couldn't even update the camera to be better quality? I imagine it would cost them close to nothing and take up the same if not LESS space than the current camera they are using.

I understand keeping memory where it is. Knowing Apple they will probably ride out the iPhone 3G through Christmas and then update the memory. But come on, the camera was an easy fix. Especially with all these apps that are going to be using the camera... come on Apple.

And what about the Phone's new profile? It looks fatter than the current iPhone with the 'thinner edges'. Apple's design team always, always makes second gen products look better than the first... looks like they went backwards this time.

valid to complain, yes

valid to say apple was supposed to or HAVE to include these things? hell no, they can put whatever they want into their product.

and your complaining about a few mm when you have 5+ hours of talk time?

have you held the phone in you hands? no. Dont complain about the shape or size until u do. For all you know it feels better in the hand than the first generation.

 

[t0mat0]

I currently have a BlackBerry and I happen to frequent CrackBerry.com. I called the guy out on pretty much every one of his "points" in the thread you happened to come across. He came back and instead of presenting a valid debate, decided to personally insult me...

Over the past 3 weeks, I have lost a lot of respect for the community at CrackBerry. They used to be pretty cool, but since the 3G iPhone I-Day got closer, they have all started to get more aggressive in their iPhone hate. Now that is actually out, many people are talking about switching, and they are being bombarded with ding dongs like the one you quoted passing misleading information onto them.

It really has become a pretty comical place.

Link please! It'd be interesting to see the other side, as it gives a different perspective.

As an aside - is there a windowsrumors.com type place - a windows version of macrumors? It'd be interesting what's being said from all sides of the tech community.

 

[jciapara]

All Apple has to be worried about is people not wanting to pay $30 for unlimited data to AT&T. It's just dishonest of Steve to come out and say "half the price!" but actually it's costing you more in the long run.

The App store is the iPhone's saving grace. It will put other similar phones to shame.

Have you check the data plans for other smarthphones? Same as iPhone, the last iPhone was actually cheaper than the regular smartphones (3G) so you're paying more, because now the plans are for smartphone.