Apple Shuffles Suppliers for Periscope Telephoto Lens in 2023 iPhones

[redbeard331]

Other than the things he lists (sports, wildlife, astronomy) where *would* you need a 1000mm lens? If the guy‘s a landscape photographer he doesn’t need it. If he shoots portraits he doesn’t need it. If he’s a street photographer he doesn’t need it. Wedding photographer: not useful. In fact, 1000mm would be useless in those situations.

Have you ever done any landscape photography? People stuck using wide lenses are missing out, between 200-600 and beyond is common. I know people that shoot the moon at like 1600mm if I remember correctly.

For landscapes I use a 100-400mm lens half the time, and used to use a 600 on a crop Canon which is 960mm all the time until it was stolen. Compression compression compression.

 

[VernonDozier]

I really can't see any point in a lens being more than 4x optical zoom on a phone or at least a maximum of 200mm equivalent. I'd rather they spent R&D on a larger sensor system.

Originally against the idea, however, and after trying it, I’ve actually preferred shooting photos using the wide-angle (0.5x) lens.

Maybe that’s just me though…

I imagine there will be a loss of detail when the sensor and aperture become smaller— the width of a phone. Then there’s also additional (read: commodity-grade) mirrors added to the image sensor design.

I don’t know. Apple has surprised us before, but perhaps a thicker phone is in the cards…. A thicker device could possibly result in bigger battery capacity…

 

[ericwn]

No different to pixel peeping. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. It encourages lazy poor photography.

How is viewing an image at 100% a sign of a lazy photographer?

 

[cmaier]

Have you ever done any landscape photography? People stuck using wide lenses are missing out, between 200-600 and beyond is common. I know people that shoot the moon at like 1600mm if I remember correctly.

For landscapes I use a 100-400mm lens half the time, and used to use a 600 on a crop Canon which is 960mm all the time until it was stolen. Compression compression compression.

Yes, I do landscape photography all the time. With my 12-24mm GM lens on my A1. Like a person’s supposed to.

 

[alpi123]

Have you seen that moon mode though? I don’t know how they do it. I have thought about that tech and how in a few years with better sensors and software it could be used for some sort of super telephoto tracked Astro. Maybe using the sensor shift instead of to stabilize but to follow something like the moon or even a distant planet or nebula as it moves across the sky. The sky is the limit, wouldn’t surprise me with Samsung because back when they made cameras in some ways were many years ahead of the competition with some really innovative stuff for the time.

If you ask me, the moon mode is half camera, half software. Specifically, Huawei was caught using real photos of the moon to trick its users into believing they actually took pictures of the moon. Of course, turns out it was mostly AI doing the special work.
Having periscope system helps too, but it's far from being able to capture the moon that clearly, yet.

 

[_Spinn_]

I'm excited for the iPhone to finally get a periscope lens.

 

[christianXO]

Taken with my S21 Ultra.

 

[Azeroth1]

Whenever I see Apple and Samsung in an article the song “The Chain” immediately starts playing in my head.

 

[redbeard331]

Yes, I do landscape photography all the time. With my 12-24mm GM lens on my A1. Like a person’s supposed to.

Supposed to? I didn’t know there were rules, you sure are missing out.

try doing this with a 12-24.

 

[steve09090]

Larger sensors? Now that's something new.
Also doesn't apple just buy sensors from Sony? And Sony has already been making big sensors for years.

The have. But how do they put them in a phone? Multiple sensor tech maybe?

 

[ian87w]

The problem with periscope systems are the added size of the camera unit. I mean people can look at the camera bump on the MI 11 ultra. It's gigantic.

I'll be curious how Apple would explain and advertise it when they do announce it.

 

[cmaier]

The problem with periscope systems are the added size of the camera unit. I mean people can look at the camera bump on the MI 11 ultra. It's gigantic.

I'll be curious how Apple would explain and advertise it when they do announce it.

The purpose of the periscope is to REDUCE the bump. Periscopes (or, more accurately, folded optics), allow the distance from the lens to the sensor to be large without requiring an increase in thickness of the device. Instead, the distance is vertical.

 

[steve09090]

How is viewing an image at 100% a sign of a lazy photographer?

Great question. Guess it depends what you call being a photographer. Anyone who has a smartphone calls themself a photographer. But just remember: The best photographs were produced on a camera that wasn’t as good as the one you have. Think about that.

 

[M3gatron]

The problem with periscope systems are the added size of the camera unit. I mean people can look at the camera bump on the MI 11 ultra. It's gigantic.

I'll be curious how Apple would explain and advertise it when they do announce it.

There's no problem with periscope cameras.
The camera bump on the Mi 11 Ultra is so large because it uses 3 big sensors with the main one being the largest in any phone right now.

 

[ericwn]

Great question. Guess it depends what you call being a photographer. Anyone who has a smartphone calls themself a photographer. But just remember: The best photographs were produced on a camera that wasn’t as good as the one you have. Think about that.

I’d like to get back to the question I raised and not dive into another “everything was better in the past “ - when the tools clearly aren’t.

 

[BenGieCruz]

That i can with my 200-600 =)

 

[steve09090]

I’d like to get back to the question I raised and not dive into another “everything was better in the past “ - when the tools clearly aren’t.

Fair enough. You clearly don’t get it. I’ll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with the tools.

 

[ericwn]

Fair enough. You clearly don’t get it. I’ll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with the tools.

Wonderful hint. Nothing beats a little snobbery.
We’ll resume the program now knowing that reviewing an image at 100% is perfectly fine and has nothing to do with laziness- to the contrary ( a lazy person wouldn’t even zoom in and call it a day).

 

[steve09090]

Wonderful hint. Nothing beats a little snobbery.
We’ll resume the program now knowing that reviewing an image at 100% is perfectly fine and has nothing to do with laziness- to the contrary ( a lazy person wouldn’t even zoom in and call it a day).

Snobbery? Like getting the biggest 1,000 zoom lens on a phone that money can buy? I guess if you don't understand photography there’s not much more to say. I never said pixel peeping was lazy.

 

[svish]

Telephoto lens with good enough magnification is coming soon.

 

[Vjosullivan]

Well as a professional photographer, I personally have no need for anything over 200mm. Unless you’re shooting sport, wildlife or the moon, what would YOU use a 1000mm lens for?

I've got a chair at home. Unless you’re sitting on it, what would YOU use a chair for?

 

[Vjosullivan]

For god's sake, I hope we don't actually have to wait 2 more years for a feature that other Android smartphones have had for 2-3 years.

I though that was how Apple normally invented stuff.

 

[steve09090]

I've got a chair at home. Unless you’re sitting on it, what would YOU use a chair for?

Art of course.

https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning/_assets/www.moma.org/wp/moma_learning/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Joseph-Kosuth.-One-and-Three-Chairs-469x353.jpg

 

[Vjosullivan]

Art of course.

So, just the same as with a 1,000mm lens.

 

[steve09090]

So, just the same as with a 1,000mm lens.

Yeah that is true. I asked earlier about what other uses and I can see the creatives using it to good effect. And has nothing to do with resolution as well.