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No, this is just an issue for Facebook employees who are using pre-release Facebook app, and other internal apps (lunch ordering app, etc.). Those apps won’t launch.
Got it, thanks for explaining.
 
So people with Facebook App to use FB can not launch it or just won't update? I don't use it, I'm just curious.

Consumers can still use the current FB app. But FB employees can not test out new or updated apps from facebook through their FB internal app store. Also, large companies have often an internal app store with company specific apps. In our company we have around 25 apps that are specific for our internal business use (database access, meeting apps, internal communication, accounting and such). It's a major PITA when those apps don't work anymore because a lot of field employees depend on them to get infos, communicate, or plan trips, do expense reports or such.
 
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Yikes. Seems like taking out a hornets nest with an atom bomb.

No, it isn't. Facebook are knowingly violating the agreement, so Apple can remove it anyway. Google, Facebook and Amazon do similar stuff without warning, and sometimes without rules violations.

Secondly, Facebook are violating the agreement to do something that Apple is so big on avoiding - invading peoples privacy. They have built their company around this recently, so violating it was always going to end like this. It's like if I developed an app to screw with Google searches - Google would ban that from the Play Store straight away.

This is not an atom bomb. This is things being banned for breaking the rules. Standard practice. Facebook just thought the rules didn't apply to them, got caught and now pay the price. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does not reverse this decision.
 
The battle between 2 giants is getting interesting

Very. But considering Governments and media across the World already have doubts over Facebooks data privacy practices, I think we know who the winner will be here.

We had a film to celebrate the rise of Facebook, I wonder if we’ll see one documenting its fall in a few years?
 
No, it isn't. Facebook are knowingly violating the agreement, so Apple can remove it anyway. Google, Facebook and Amazon do similar stuff without warning, and sometimes without rules violations.

Secondly, Facebook are violating the agreement to do something that Apple is so big on avoiding - invading peoples privacy. They have built their company around this recently, so violating it was always going to end like this. It's like if I developed an app to screw with Google searches - Google would ban that from the Play Store straight away.

This is not an atom bomb. This is things being banned for breaking the rules. Standard practice. Facebook just thought the rules didn't apply to them, got caught and now pay the price. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does not reverse this decision.

I agree. take out the one App. But this takes out much more than that. Hence my position this was overkill on Apple's part. Sure there needs to be some punitive action but this?
 
Tim too, for the tax evasion BS that is somehow “legal” (we really need to do something internationally about tax shelters/avoidance)

When you file your taxes, do you use any exemptions (including the standard deduction)? Should we prosecute you for tax evasion? You can argue for changing the law, but as long as these exemptions are legal, it would be a serious breach of fiduciary responsibility for any company not to take them.
 
Maybe Apple should make some (MULTI PLATFORM!!) social media apps that are better than FB's if they are serious about protecting peoples privacy. Ya maybe that can't guarantee privacy if users are using Android or Windows based operating systems but it would still be way more secure than FB's sneaky ways.

I mean in general if Apple is serious about its software and services multi platform everything. The fact that I use windows at work and may want to use an Android device again in the future is the reason I don't use most Apple apps. Windows and Android aren't going way.
 
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When you file your taxes, do you use any exemptions (including the standard deduction)? Should we prosecute you for tax evasion? You can argue for changing the law, but as long as these exemptions are legal, it would be a serious breach of fiduciary responsibility for any company not to take them.
This isn’t the point of the thread, and I clearly already alluded to a call for an international effort to change tactics.

All I was trying to do was preempt the typical “what about Apple” response that was sure to come.
 
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That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.

Edit: I'm not saying Facebook didn't violate their contract.

But Apple shutting down Facebook's legitimate internal apps over this is an extreme over-reaction on Apple's part.

I'd imagine any organization currently with internal apps is currently investigating phasing iOS devices out of their organization. IE, consider that the military has iOS apps they use internally. A rogue actor is at Apple. That rogue actor revokes the military's certificates, and suddenly the military's apps no longer function.

It'd be as if Microsoft suddenly shut down every copy of Windows running on a company's computers. How could any company be expected to trust Microsoft anymore? The answer is they wouldn't.
 
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I agree. take out the one App. But this takes out much more than that. Hence my position this was overkill on Apple's part. Sure there needs to be some punitive action but this?
If they abuse certificates, what’s to stop them from using their other internal certificates, or, for that matter, creating more on the fly?

Apple did the only thing they could to ensure that Facebook cant circumvent App Store review in order to distribute bad apps to customers.
 
I'm sure all those children roped into this by Facebook understood the "clear on-boarding process."

No one was "roped into this". It took quite a bit of effort for people to install this app. However, allowing users under 18 to do it was immoral. I do think that most of the people who were being paid $20 a month would still have done it even if the completely understood what they were doing. Many (most?) people are perfectly happy being the product.

Having said that, it is still a serious violation of the rules and I think that Apple did the right thing in response.
 
That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.
They were violating the terms by using the certificate for non-enterprise apps. Apple didn't abuse anything, Facebook did. If they didn't use the key for the wrong purposes their internal apps would still work perfectly fine.
 
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