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"The Facebook Research app for Android continues to be available. "

Of course. One big happy spy family.

While I agree... isn’t Google kinda screwed on that one since they give the user the toggle to allow installations from any source? I’m not sure what type of repercussion they may have.
 
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That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.
How is this an abuse of power? Facebook obtained an enterprise certificate from Apple and violated the contract they made with Apple to obtain it. As a result Facebook loses the privilege of obtaining enterprise certificates.
 
Good. Now Apple should pull their apps from the App Store until they have a written assurance from Facebook that their developer program privileges won't be abused again.

No other company or developer would get off this easily.
May I introduce you to Google. I think you two need to chat.
 
That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.
Your response to a clear ill-intent behavior by Facebook is to merely cut off the one of many covert corporate surveillance activities they’re clearly doing? How can anything they do with certificates be trusted at this point? How far can FB go before they finally get a response that’s ACTUALLY proportional to their actions? I think this is entirely justified.
 
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That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.

FB can't do anything to any company. They are a productless platform. Vaporware monetizing eyeballs and even fake eyeballs.
 
I agree. take out the one App. But this takes out much more than that. Hence my position this was overkill on Apple's part. Sure there needs to be some punitive action but this?

When you wanna treat flu, you don't take one drug to treat your cough and the other for your sneezing.
You don't treat symptoms, you treat the disease.
  1. Onavo VPN to spy on your entire internet traffic.
  2. Phone number given for 2FA maliciously used for advertising.
  3. Now the Facebook Research App to spy on kids. If it were any one individual, they'd have to register as a pedophile by now.
First time offenders are granted lenience but serial offenders don't deserve the same luxury. If anything this is astronomically less than what they deserve.
 
I congratulate Apple for this. Make Facebook sweat for a while before issuing them a new certificate that requires them to recompile all their apps. Make it clear that any repeat will be followed by removal of all their apps from the App Store. If politicians are afraid to make a stand, for fear of the electoral consequences, then Apple is justified in taking action in the public interest.
 
I wish they would just remove all of their apps from the App Store until they can prove to be trustworthy. Between this VPN harvesting all data like private messages and web browsing, to listening to your mics and showing you targeted ads based on what you are chatting about they have shown that they cannot be trusted with people's data and will do all that they can to circumvent the protective measures Apple puts in place for people's privacy.
 
When you file your taxes, do you use any exemptions (including the standard deduction)? Should we prosecute you for tax evasion? You can argue for changing the law, but as long as these exemptions are legal, it would be a serious breach of fiduciary responsibility for any company not to take them.

No, you do not take out the one app. You invalidate the certificate until you can be sure that everything they do is within the rules. Right now, Apple cannot be sure that every other Facebook enterprise product is playing by the rules. The only thing they know for sure is that one of these does not. Until that investigation is done and clear, they should remove Facebooks ability to break the rules.

And since Apple takes privacy very seriously, they also have the right to remove access to their products for those that violate it. Facebook are lucky that the public app has continued whilst this is ongoing.
 
Second step, deny Facebook update privileges for their apps until they update for the new iPad resolutions. Same goes for Amazon. :D
 
Explicitly spying on children. Is Zuck ever going to be held to account? Fines do nothing. Given the crystal clear picture of the criminal operation that Facebook is this guy should be in ****ing jail.

Tim too, for the tax evasion BS that is somehow “legal” (we really need to do something internationally about tax shelters/avoidance), but does it get any creepier and morally wrong than literally spying on children?

America’s beloved Oligarchs ladies and gentlemen...
Spying on children is morally wrong.

“Loopholes” in the tax code is not. They were put there by those who write the law and are enforced as such. If anyone is to blame, it’s those who made the law and/or those who don’t change it.
 
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That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.

Nope. Without iOS Facebook ceases to exist, not the other way around. Interesting that you would support FB’s underhandedness and blatant spying by claiming it’s Apple who is abusing power. But then Apple hate runs deep in some.
 
Seems a tad harsh. All they did was circumvent Apple's privacy guidelines… and harvest data for uninformed users at a fraction of the price it ought to be worth… to bolster their efforts to make Facebook and even more overpowered weapon of social intrusion.

Can't help but wonder how poor Mark took the news…

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I love your comments and GIFs. Keep up the great work.
 
That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

No it's not. Apple have clear terms. Facebook agreed to those terms, then demonstrably violated them. The abuse of power is Facebook offering a tiny financial incentive and obscuring the reality of how much data - and how sensitive - they were collecting.
 
Maybe Apple should make some (MULTI PLATFORM!!) social media apps that are better than FB's if they are serious about protecting peoples privacy. Ya maybe that can't guarantee privacy if users are using Android or Windows based operating systems but it would still be way more secure than FB's sneaky ways.

I mean in general if Apple is serious about its software and services multi platform everything. The fact that I use windows at work and may want to use an Android device again in the future is the reason I don't use most Apple apps. Windows and Android aren't going way.
How does Apple do this without charging for it? And what evidence do we have people are willing to pay $$ to use social media platforms?
 
Of course it is. You can obtain an enterprise certificate and sign your apps with it. I do it myself for internal testing. It’s trivial to obtain another one.

So have I.

FB violated the agreement. You think Apple will just let them reissue new certs and carry on where they left off?
 
How does Apple do this without charging for it? And what evidence do we have people are willing to pay $$ to use social media platforms?

Free for everyone, but android/windows/chromeos users get green profiles :)
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You've violated the agreement and been allowed to reissue your certs?

Thought not. ;)

I think you have completely misunderstood what I said. I am saying that apple had to disable all facebook's enterprise certs and prevent them from obtaining new ones, otherwise they could sign the app with a different cert. You told me that's not how it works. I said yes it is.
 
Seems a tad harsh. All they did was circumvent Apple's privacy guidelines… and harvest data for uninformed users at a fraction of the price it ought to be worth… to bolster their efforts to make Facebook and even more overpowered weapon of social intrusion.

Can't help but wonder how poor Mark took the news…

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OMG, that's so creepy!
 
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I think you have completely misunderstood what I said. I am saying that apple had to disable all facebook's enterprise certs and prevent them from obtaining new ones, otherwise they could sign the app with a different cert. You told me that's not how it works. I said yes it is.

And you me. Lets just drop it and laugh at FaceBook!
 
I agree. take out the one App. But this takes out much more than that. Hence my position this was overkill on Apple's part. Sure there needs to be some punitive action but this?
They issue is they caught them doing this with another App a few months ago and banned it from the App Store because it violated policies. So, they took the same program and decided to run it secretly using Apple systems provided to companies for internal employee use only. Why should they trust them to not do it again.
 
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