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Apple Shut Down All of Facebook's Internal Apps When Revoking Enterprise Certificate [Update: Fixed]
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But did they? To play devil's advocate here, the people in question were paid to use the app. That makes them contractors, and thus eligible to use internal apps.
Was what they did sleazy? Yes (reportedly). Was their parental consent flawed in a way that could open them up to serious liability? Also (reportedly) yes. Did it violate the agreement? I'm not so sure. Clearly it violated the spirit of the agreement, but probably not the letter of that agreement. And that's cause for at least some concern, IMO.
If you're agreeing that Facebook violated their contract, how in the world do you justify your statement about "abuse of power"? As part of the contract, Facebook was given a certificate to use so that they could deploy applications inside their corporation. They decided to use it to push applications to customers. They were caught. Apple rightfully revoked the certificate so that FB couldn't do that anymore. It's entirely their problem that they abused that certificate and now that it's gone, their internal apps no longer works.
You may imagine that organizations would be thinking of phasing out iOS devices - but that's why you're probably not a corporate chief. Companies that abide by laws and agreements have nothing to worry about, so why should they phase out internal iOS apps that they spent potentially millions of dollars developing and which enhance internal productivity? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Your example of the military is pretty weak. First of all, you have no idea whether a single "rogue actor" at Apple can do what you suggest. Secondly, even if it were the case - what, the military uses an internal iOS app for launching missiles? Suddenly they can't launch a missile? That rogue actor just saved us from nuclear amaggeddon.
I don't think anyone thinks that, lol. It's a new scandal almost every day, and each one seems to be worse.
“If you drive like an idiot when we’re both in the same car, I’ll hit you in the face!”. Even without you intentionally wanting to hurt anyone.
Ok, death might be the consequence, but there’s a difference.
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Four extremely important things for FB
1. Don't steal
2. Don't steal when you're already rich
3. Don't steal when you're already extremely rich
4. Fire the guy in charge and replace him with a real adult, an actual leader. Mark Z is just not leadership materials.
1. Don't steal
2. Don't steal when you're already rich
3. Don't steal when you're already extremely rich
4. Fire the guy in charge and replace him with a real adult, an actual leader. Mark Z is just not leadership materials.
Just because they accepted money from facebook doesn't make them a contractor. Definition of contractor:
n. a person or business which performs services for another person or entity under a contract between them, with the terms spelled out such as duties, pay, the amount and type of work and other matters. An independent contractor is distinguished from an employee, who works regularly for an employer.
These consumers got money from Facebook for doing what they normally do. Therefore, they didn't perform a service, specifically for Facebook. Therefore, they're not contractors. Besides, as the article points out, some of these consumers were under age and could probably not legally perform any work/"service" anyway.
Unless it was a facebook (ie company) owned device, and the users had signed a contract that doesn't hold water.
Facebook tried to blatantly bypass the app approval system because the app didn't/wouldn't get approved for the App Store.
Actually, the healthiest way to treat the flu (assuming you didn’t get the vaccine to prevent it and it’s too late for an anti-viral) is to take individual pills to treat individual symptoms as needed.
Dosing non-stop with multi-symptom isn’t good for you. If coughing isn’t an issue, don’t dose with cough medicine. If headache or aches aren’t bothersome, don’t use Tylenol every 4 hours and damage your liver. If it’s night time, a sleep aide and phlegm loosener might be all you need.
But your point is right about Facebook, and this point Facebook the company is acting like a virus. You must use anti-viral treatments. The only one that was going to work immediately was revocation if certificate.
You lucky SOB!Altho gotta be honest the safari one is a bit of a reach given its 7 years old. In comparison 7 years ago was when the iPad Mini came out. Companies change over time, Google was 100% reliant on advertising income back there (not that it excuses their actions).
Google and Facebook of 2019 are very different companies. Both have a TON of dodgy as hell practices, but Facebook basically came along and said "Hold My Beer".
No, they got money from Facebook for running a VPN app and allowing their activity to be monitored. They would not otherwise have run that VPN app. Therefore, they are being paid for doing something, albeit a very minor something. Assuming they are at least 14 years old, I would argue that they are contractors.
As a rule, minors actually are allowed enter into contracts, and companies have the right to allow them to do so. The only difference between a minor and an adult is that only an adult can be bound by a contract. That's why companies require an adult signature. It isn't because the minor can't agree to the contract, but rather because without that, a minor can basically say, "I was young and stupid, and I disaffirm this contract," and then it is voided, and there is very little that the company can do besides demanding the return of any goods or services obtained as a result of the contract.
Employment is generally legal so long as the person is at least 14 years old. That covers all but the very youngest Facebook users (who are supposed to be at least 13). These laws may vary from state to state, of course.
No, they cannot use "Alternatives like Testflight" to run their internal apps.
1. Testflight isn't for your internal apps. It's for testing your public apps.
2. Apple reviews Testflight apps, just like they review App Store apps. Not as rigorously, but they have to be submitted for review. No way is Facebook submitting their internal apps for review by Apple!
1. Testflight isn't for your internal apps. It's for testing your public apps.
2. Apple reviews Testflight apps, just like they review App Store apps. Not as rigorously, but they have to be submitted for review. No way is Facebook submitting their internal apps for review by Apple!
It hasn't hurt the bottom line so far...
But not being able to distribute internal apps will interfere with development if they don't find a workaround or get reinstated.
But not being able to distribute internal apps will interfere with development if they don't find a workaround or get reinstated.
Thanks for responding to that ridiculous allegation. As an Apple investor, I expect them to take advantage of any legal tax policies to maximize my investment returns. I sure as hell don’t give the government any more of my money to waste than I am legally required to.
They don't really sell any apps these days and keep supporting them so I'm sure they could do it with a social media app.
They could also tie it in with an iCloud or AM subscription. This would probably be the rout that would make the most sense.
Or they could even go down the road of advertising income. This is far less likely and wouldn't be as focused as Google/FB adds as they provide adds based on you and your web activity.
They sure were quick on this one ahah Wow this is insane, Facebook has so many offices around the world, must feel like when the WiFi goes off in the office for the rest of us...
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The movie wasn’t really about celebrating Facebook and certainly not a documentary but he’s looking at it: https://movieweb.com/the-social-network-2-writer-aaron-sorkin/
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The movie wasn’t really about celebrating Facebook and certainly not a documentary but he’s looking at it: https://movieweb.com/the-social-network-2-writer-aaron-sorkin/
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Good LORD! Facebook SAID they were “working closely” with Apple. APPLE never said they were “working closely” with Facebook at all, let alone willing to. And I’m sure any “close working” by Facebook is hat-in-hand groveling because they were caught completely dead to rights.
Easy on the judgy hair trigger there, Tex.
Apple probably is working closely with Facebook. What action have they had so far that makes you think otherwise?