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This is badass. Apple able to punish them where the government couldn’t even succeed. Not having internal testing apps is a huge deal they are losing millions a day easy.

Facebook annoys governments:

Congress holds hearings.
Testimony is given.
Time passes.
Vague promises are offered up.


Facebook annoys the Apple god:

Facebook gets struck down overnight.
 
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Apple probably is working closely with Facebook. What action have they had so far that makes you think otherwise?
They just yanked their entire enterprise certificate profile. I’m sure they notified Zuck & Minions, who asked for a meeting, who were told that one would be forthcoming. This is punishment for flagrant corporate malfeasance. Let me flip it and ask what reason you have to think that Apple’s in a negotiating mood right now? And what reason does Apple have to expedite a resolution? Send your kid to his room without dinner, and you don’t offer a snack 10 minutes later. Certainly not if you want the punishment to mean anything.
 
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Delete Facebook

DONE ... years ago ;)

I was looking forward to this

likewise hehe.

Yikes. Seems like taking out a hornets nest with an atom bomb.

it works ... no doubt about that and no hornets offspring is coming after such a bomb!

Good. Now Apple should pull their apps from the App Store until they have a written assurance from Facebook that their developer program privileges won't be abused again.

No other company or developer would get off this easily.

Reminds me of AllThingsDigital D8 (?)
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synopsis:
Jobs said:
Apple was angry at Flurry for pulling unreleased device data out of apps. That's what caused the crackdown on analytics. Can't take that data and turn around and sell it. No excuse for not asking customers if they can take data. When Apple calms down they might discuss it further.

Seems a tad harsh. All they did was circumvent Apple's privacy guidelines… and harvest data for uninformed users at a fraction of the price it ought to be worth… to bolster their efforts to make Facebook and even more overpowered weapon of social intrusion.

Can't help but wonder how poor Mark took the news…

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AWESOME work!!

Macrumors ... Apple you REALLY need to hire this guy full time spot on parody, art and quick whit.
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They just yanked their entire enterprise certificate profile. I’m sure they notified Zuck & Minions, who asked for a meeting, who were told that one would be forthcoming. This is punishment for flagrant corporate malfeasance. Let me flip it and ask what reason you have to think that Apple’s in a negotiating mood right now? And what reason does Apple have to expedite a resolution? Send your kid to his room without dinner, and you don’t offer a snack 10 minutes later. Certainly not if you want the punishment to mean anything.

Time to also plug their Cable (oldschool cable TV new school internet access to their platform for all their wares).
 
FB isn’t going anywhere. Tweens, teens and young adults don’t give a crap about their privacy. Heck, they send crotch shots to each other constantly.
 
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Tough calls, calls for touch measures..

If Apple really believe in their security, they wouldn't accept "Can we have another chance"

Google, and Facebook knew the policies, so there should be no reason as a 'accidentally slipped' issue here.

If its clear, then it's clear for developers. I guess the only thing clear about this was it was "voluntary'. But that should have not make it any better.. That''s like saying we are free to distribute malware with out products as it's ot hurting anyone because users "ticked a box" to explicitly install it.
That's just gets' 'around' the problem.
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Employees, meanwhile, are said to be angry and unable to do their work without the apps.
Wow, their employees are angry because they cannot work in making more spying tricks, but no anger when they abused the dev certificate? Shows you the quality of people working at Facebook, a bunch of self absorbed moral-less group of people, I guess.
 
Wow, their employees are angry because they cannot work in making more spying tricks, but no anger when they abused the dev certificate? Shows you the quality of people working at Facebook, a bunch of self absorbed moral-less group of people, I guess.

Woah. Are you serious?
 
I think Apple should permanently ban ALL facebook apps! This company is a ticking time bomb!!! No wonder I never use their products.
 
On the other side of the economic spectrum I understand the Far East has Facebook phones for “free”. You can only navigate to the web through Facebook. No children’s data being harvested there I am sure.

Google Fi has always seemed a bit suspect to me too... speeding up your service running through Google servers. But they are probably polite and do not log anything.
 
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A few years back Apple stopped supporting Adobe Flash primarily because of its poor security protocols. Didn’t end so well for Adobe.

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm. It certainly helped speed up the death of Flash, but Flash was dying long before April 2010 when Steve Jobs wrote Thoughts on Flash. Since then, Adobe's stock price has risen more than 500%. I'd say Adobe came out just fine.

Flash was only stealing battery life and was one little corner of the business. Facebook's entire business strategy seems to revolve around collecting data and manipulation.
 
Actually, the healthiest way to treat the flu (assuming you didn’t get the vaccine to prevent it and it’s too late for an anti-viral) is to take individual pills to treat individual symptoms as needed.

I was initially aiming for Cancer but figured it'd be a bit of an overkill so decided to go with the flu since that's something most are familiar with. And I'm aware of the treatments for the flu even though I'm a software developer but you know what I'm getting at;)
 
On the other side of the economic spectrum I understand the Far East has Facebook phones for “free”. You can only navigate to the web through Facebook. No children’s data being harvested there I am sure.

Google Fi has always seemed a bit suspect to me too... speeding up your service running through Google servers. But they are probably polite and do not log anything.

That's not what Google Fi is.
 
This is absolutely hilarious. It’s about time Apple backhanded these millennial hipsters that think they can do whatever they want with no consequences. I think they should take this even further. It’s about time that FaceBook suffered serious consequences for their actions. People need to go to prison and the money given to various charities. Like the FB employees who were making decisions to make money off little kids paying hundreds and thousands of dollars into games like Angry birds with no parental authorization. They should all lose their jobs and at worst serve time. Social media is tearing our society apart at the seams and changing the definition of facts and truth to be this messy mix of meaningless mush that can be spun and twisted however a person or corporation or official wants it to be. I can’t wait for FaceBook to go under. I will literally dance in the streets when this happens.
 
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Yikes. Seems like taking out a hornets nest with an atom bomb.

Best use of atom bomb. Ever.
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This surprises who? MZ is a scumbag.... was in college when he stole someone else's ideas and is now that he lets foreign governments use his platform to influence elections around the world.

Calling MZ scum is understatement.

Do you remember this:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb f*cks

You honestly think MZ has changed? From the start MZ has treated private data as his main product and people as... well, "dumb f*cks".
 
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If Cook was Jobs, AAPL would announce by the end of this week that AAPL will NOT approve any new Apps OR App Updates from either Facebook OR Google for 2 years !

It would hurt Facebook ALOT more, as they have already stated they want to Unify their infrastructure for Instagram, Messenger, & WhatsApp.

Still, it sends the right message to the entire world.

Sure, you can circumvent us (for awhile), but when we catch you, you'll pay BIG time !

If AAPL allowed third-party apps to send small files down the Messages infrastructure, then Messages could easily supplant both Messenger & WhatsApp in the two year timeframe.
 
That's an interesting abuse of power on Apple's part...

I think if I were Facebook, I'd probably retaliate by targeting iOS users. Give them all ads telling them to trade in their iOS devices for Android devices, and throw in $200 or so to sweeten the deal.

Maybe Facebook can finally get Apple to knock down the wall around their garden.

Edit: I'm not saying Facebook didn't violate their contract.

But Apple shutting down Facebook's legitimate internal apps over this is an extreme over-reaction on Apple's part.

I'd imagine any organization currently with internal apps is currently investigating phasing iOS devices out of their organization. IE, consider that the military has iOS apps they use internally. A rogue actor is at Apple. That rogue actor revokes the military's certificates, and suddenly the military's apps no longer function.

It'd be as if Microsoft suddenly shut down every copy of Windows running on a company's computers. How could any company be expected to trust Microsoft anymore? The answer is they wouldn't.

Don't break the rules. Don't get revoked. Simple. Break law, go to jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
 
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Tough calls, calls for touch measures..

If Apple really believe in their security, they wouldn't accept "Can we have another chance"

Google, and Facebook knew the policies, so there should be no reason as a 'accidentally slipped' issue here.

If its clear, then it's clear for developers. I guess the only thing clear about this was it was "voluntary'. But that should have not make it any better.. That''s like saying we are free to distribute malware with out products as it's ot hurting anyone because users "ticked a box" to explicitly install it.
That's just gets' 'around' the problem.
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And it's not even as simple as a user ticking a box, they were offering financial rewards for ticking the box. If you offer a 16yo $240 a year just to continue to use their phone as normal, of course they will accept it.

Facebook as well beyond enriching anybody's life, and it could be argued that it is causing a negative effect on people's lives. They are too big to die on their own now at this point though. It needs someone the size of Apple to stand up to them and hopefully bring about their demise.
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If Cook was Jobs, AAPL would announce by the end of this week that AAPL will NOT approve any new Apps OR App Updates from either Facebook OR Google for 2 years !

It would hurt Facebook ALOT more, as they have already stated they want to Unify their infrastructure for Instagram, Messenger, & WhatsApp.

Still, it sends the right message to the entire world.

Sure, you can circumvent us (for awhile), but when we catch you, you'll pay BIG time !

If AAPL allowed third-party apps to send small files down the Messages infrastructure, then Messages could easily supplant both Messenger & WhatsApp in the two year timeframe.
If Apple blocked Messenger and WhatsApp but let iMessage be installed on Android, They would take over the instant messaging game instantly.
 
It amazes me that people still can't see that Facebook is a parasite, virus, piece of malware and overall a pile of crap. People who still use it have absolutely nothing to complain about when their data next appears on some 3rd party list.
While I agree with your second sentence, I think that most people over time have become aware of the double edged sword that is FB, and frankly the online world of the internet in general. FB has revolutionized the ease of communication with family and friends to a degree that was impossible before it came to prominence. It also has become a convenient means of authentication to other internet services. The downside of FB (and the internet) is that it becomes easier for nefarious companies, hackers, internet providers, and governments to spy and harvest personal and financial data, and to track your whereabouts and habits. It appears, the internet having been ubiquitous to the public since the mid-90s and FB since 2006, a majority of people are willing to sacrifice much of their privacy for convenience and ease of communication. Unless you drop off the grid and totally refrain from internet and cell tower use, your privacy is compromised, albeit things can be ameliorated by use of encryption and trusted VPNs and judicious use of GPS. The most egregious thing about this revelation is that minors were specifically targeted, and without verified approval of parents or guardians. If I was a parent of minor teens/children, I would be concerned about more closely regulating their internet access - which is very difficult to do, given the ubiquitous presence of mobile devices and computers wherever minors go about their activities.
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What if this had been any other company? Wouldn't they have been kicked out of the Apple store? Why let facebook stay? What will keep them from doing it again? They've been spying on other people for years now, we have enough evidence. If Apple were to take security seriously, they'd have to ban facebook and stay true to their word.
Follow money trails. Although Apple took some punitive steps against FB for its actions, there is no way they would "ban FB" from their devices. To do so would cause them a huge financial hit, as folks wanting FB access would stop using Apple products. Google, Apple, Amazon, FB, and other large internet rooted corporations are all interconnected, which generally increases all of their income possibilities.
 
If you're agreeing that Facebook violated their contract, how in the world do you justify your statement about "abuse of power"? As part of the contract, Facebook was given a certificate to use so that they could deploy applications inside their corporation. They decided to use it to push applications to customers. They were caught. Apple rightfully revoked the certificate so that FB couldn't do that anymore. It's entirely their problem that they abused that certificate and now that it's gone, their internal apps no longer works.

I guess police brutality is something you would say doesn't exist.

You littered? That warrants being shot at. You gave up your right to being alive when you broke the law.

Your example of the military is pretty weak. First of all, you have no idea whether a single "rogue actor" at Apple can do what you suggest. Secondly, even if it were the case - what, the military uses an internal iOS app for launching missiles? Suddenly they can't launch a missile? That rogue actor just saved us from nuclear amaggeddon.

Or that military app was a vital part of our defense system. North Korea launched nukes at us and we couldn't intercept it because that rogue actor shut down the certificates. Heck - that's not even a weird thing to imagine. We know that there are Chinese spies at Apple - MacRumors was talking about them stealing data from Apple's Self Driving project just yesterday. North Korea spends a lot of money on hacking into US servers - maybe they have spies working at Apple, too.
 
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