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It took you 10 minutes to read 3 bullet points? Well, that explains your inability to think three dimensionally. You can’t accurately measure a situation in a hypothetical future where Google isn’t available on Apple devices while maintaining the exact conditions for Google as if it were available on all platforms.

Google is successful because it’s universally available. Remove it from all Apple devices and one of the other strong competitors will step in to fill the void and Google won’t be able to compete because they’re not available on Apple devices.

What’s easier? Replacing all your Apple devices, an iPhone, a Mac, an iPad, an Apple Watch... or going to Outlook.com and signing up for a new email address in 5 minutes? Most of the people who are deeply ingrained in Google’s ecosystem are already on Android.
You wasted 10 minutes writing it, of course. Agree to disagree.
 
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They didn't shut down Facetime but only group Facetime afaik. Anyway a bug caused by negligence or you know, typical mistakes is not the same thing as what Facebook and Google did.

I get the mistakes part. It's the "knowing and waiting a whole week to acknowledge and respond" part that disappoints me, especially with a flaw this serious.
 
  1. Better spam protection
  2. Better search of emails
  3. Conversation organization (this is particularly noteworthy compared to Outlook, Mail.app)
  4. Better labels and filters
  5. Crazy high free storage space
  6. Personal Level Indicators
  7. Trip View
  8. Google Assistant integration
the list goes on
I feel like you haven't used apple mail? Searching, filters, rules, spam, storage space, all work great. I have no issues with any of that. Conversation organization looks roughly the same to me. I don't need google assistant in mail. Never used it. Can't see a need to.
I copied tens of thousands of emails from over a decade from gmail to icloud and easily searched, sorted and applied rules and no issues on storage.
The only advantage I can see for gmail is the web client is faster. But if you're using an app/program then that's irrelevant. And depending on the client you use they can provide additional features and sorting as well that essentially put them on the same footing. There's a ton of mail clients on ios you can use with both icloud and gmail. Though i'm pretty happy with the stock mail app. The stock desktop mail app is quite powerful.
 
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This ain't gonna end well for Apple.

on the contrary, Apple is not at fault here. they created the Enterprise Certificate for a specific purpose and both Facebook and Google agreed to the rules and then broke them. That Apple was willing to bam hammer two very large companies is actually a plus for them. Typically the big boys think they are above the law and are not publicly called out like this.

plus neither Google nor Facebook is going to shut out all Apple users in retailation because they are too greedy
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Yeah, get rid of the two most important internet companies and try to sell a single device, good luck with that...

google and facebook need Apple and Apple users more than we need these two.
 
google and facebook need Apple and Apple users more than we need these two.
not really. Both of those services can be and were (before the iphone) accessed from a computer. Most people (excluding people from a tech forum like this one) bought smartphones because of social media. Jobs knew this and launched the iPhone with some google services out of the box, because he knew the ($400+) iPhone without third party apps is useless to most people.
 
on the contrary, Apple is not at fault here.
Google and facebook need Apple and Apple users more than we need these two.
Never said it was Apple's fault, only that God damn Google plays dirty.
Not sure about your 2nd statement here, if Google and Fb decide to withdraw their app catalogs out of retaliation I'm afraid it's going to end bad for Apple.
 
Maybe Apple should pull its own developer certificate for its privacy-negligent FaceTime app (not just shut down the server). You know they would have done that if another company had the same bug. Apple is part of the rich elite that needs to be brought down to normal human levels by the Dems and the next administration. Go Ocasio-Cortez!

Seems some people can’t tell the difference between a bug and a business model.
 
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You're avoiding the question.

The question is, if Google are so evil then why do Apple accept money to make Google the default in its product? The left hand can't demonize someone while the right hand takes bribery money from the same person.

In my opinion, people trying to conflate the two issues together are making strawman arguments.

Cook is not on some crusade to remove Facebook and Google from iPhones and iPads. Instead, Apple provides users the option of choosing service providers based on data collection and privacy protocols. For example, iPhone users are able to make DuckDuckGo their default search option on iOS devices.

Cook’s position is, and always has been, for companies to do what he thinks is the right thing and treat customer data with respect. Apple revoked the certificates of both Facebook and google because they were caught doing precisely the opposite of that on Apple’s platform.

So I see nothing wrong with Apple accepting Google’s money, and also ensuring that they do not violate privacy guidelines on their platform (especially when what google did has nothing to do with abusing their search algorithms in the first place).

They are two entirely separate matters.
 
It's the "knowing and waiting a whole week to acknowledge and respond" part that disappoints me, especially with a flaw this serious.

According to what we were told, someone attempted to bring the bug to their attention a week before something was done. What we don't know is how long it took that message to rise above the rest of the crud. It might have taken a week for someone to say "oh hey, this thing here is super important!". Or, to be fair, they might have been informed that very day. All we have at this point is someone claiming that they made a report a week earlier. Apple hasn't told us when they became aware of the bug or its magnitude.

This thread is filled with wanna-be writers. We were told half the story and people are just going ahead and writing the other half all on their own. The truth is, we've only heard one side of the story. And unless they're forced to reveal it in court, it's probably all we'll ever know. The fan-fiction is fun to read, but that's really all it is. I'll hold my disappointment for when it's deserved, not for when some random strangers online tell me I should be disappointed (not directed at you).
 
Never said it was Apple's fault, only that God damn Google plays dirty.
Not sure about your 2nd statement here, if Google and Fb decide to withdraw their app catalogs out of retaliation I'm afraid it's going to end bad for Apple.

no it won't. you can still facebook via 3rd party apps as well as the web. same with Google. and before you say they will just block all Apple users, they are too greedy for that.
 
no it won't. you can still facebook via 3rd party apps as well as the web. same with Google. and before you say they will just block all Apple users, they are too greedy for that.

This. I think this whole debacle has shown beyond doubt the absolute control Apple wields over their own platform.
 
I wonder what will happen, if FB, google etc - delet its apps from appstore, I mean - iPhone is great, but who needs it with no FB, Instagramm, google maps, whatsapp etc?
all over the world even less people woild opt for iOS, and in the US the ammount of Android users would grow, iMessage is cool, but not as cool as the rest of FB und Google apps
 
I wonder what will happen, if FB, google etc - delet its apps from appstore, I mean - iPhone is great, but who needs it with no FB, Instagramm, google maps, whatsapp etc?
all over the world even less people woild opt for iOS, and in the US the ammount of Android users would grow, iMessage is cool, but not as cool as the rest of FB und Google apps
Sigh, that's not going to happen you clearly have not been following - and it's nothing to do with consumer apps.
 
I wonder what will happen, if FB, google etc - delet its apps from appstore, I mean - iPhone is great, but who needs it with no FB, Instagramm, google maps, whatsapp etc?
all over the world even less people woild opt for iOS, and in the US the ammount of Android users would grow, iMessage is cool, but not as cool as the rest of FB und Google apps

Maybe it will give everyone the shot in the arm they need to migrate over to telegram!
 
You're avoiding the question.

The question is, if Google are so evil then why do Apple accept money to make Google the default in its product? The left hand can't demonize someone while the right hand takes bribery money from the same person.
My comment wasn't addressing that, it was addressing that Google needs Apple more than Apple need Google. Otherwise Apple would pay Google, not the other way around.
 
on the contrary, Apple is not at fault here. they created the Enterprise Certificate for a specific purpose and both Facebook and Google agreed to the rules and then broke them. That Apple was willing to bam hammer two very large companies is actually a plus for them. Typically the big boys think they are above the law and are not publicly called out like this.

plus neither Google nor Facebook is going to shut out all Apple users in retailation because they are too greedy
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google and facebook need Apple and Apple users more than we need these two.

That's a good one. I think you overestimate how important the iPhone is to a majority of its userbase.
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My comment wasn't addressing that, it was addressing that Google needs Apple more than Apple need Google. Otherwise Apple would pay Google, not the other way around.

That's some weird logic you have there.
 
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