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You’re giving people too much credit. The average user has no idea that they can do that, let alone how to do it. You’d probably get people going to Google.com if they really want Google but most would just search like they always search and live with whatever results they get. There’s a reason Google thinks they have to pay Apple billion dollar bags of cash to be the default search engine.
All my relatives ask me how to change the search on their browsers back to Google.
 
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Google: “Hey Apple, look at me, I’m cutting off my own leg to get back at you!”

You don’t seem to understand how Google makes money.
I'm not arguing it would or wouldn't hurt Google, I'm arguing it would hurt Apple significantly more. Without Google apps, Apple is a completely walled garden. Inability to use youtube or gmail would prevent any current Android user from switching. It would be a step too far for Apple.
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Yeah, because they are brainwashed maybe.;)
Pot, meet kettle.

My family is all iPhone/Windows users. Screams brainwashed.
 
Same here. Google maps long gone and not missed. Google search replaced by DuckDuckGo as well.

I would love to see what happens if Google blocked DDG proxy searches

DDG as a real search engine is questionable as it’s almost entirely dependent on being a proxy. The first party results are abysmal as if it were lycos.
 
I wouldn’t exactly consider Apple small. 132k employees and more revenue than the companies you mention.

I wouldn't either and didn't. If you think I did, then you took what I said out of context.

I didn't even allude to that. Each time I used the word small referencing Apple's size, I said "in comparison" ... not that they are small in general. However, to directly address what you said: in regard to its workforce, Apple has world-wide retail locations, so its workforce is relative to retail companies with world-wide business. If you're comparing Apple to a mom and pop shop of course its huge, but in the context of what I was saying and in its own arena it is not. Even Walmart has 2.5 million employees, Amazon had 623K pre Whole Foods acquisition, Whole Foods added another 91K. In that regard, Apple more closely compares to a subsidiary of Amazon, than Amazon itself.

That aside, I also said any metric outside of money, but you stated exactly that.

In a money-focused society, for most people it's all about the money, and that blinds from the reality. I've had many conversations with people that all think Google is the "little guy", in comparison to Apple. Financially that is true, but the reality of supporters, users, integration, and almost every other metric it's exactly the opposite. The number of Apple bashers far outweigh the Apple lovers, the discrepancy is so large it's perceivably to the point of bullying. There are countries with large populations where comparatively Apple doesn't really exist.

But the one metric that matters to many people is money, so they see nothing else. -- Many equate money to power, when the truth is, that's bias / interpretation ... money is not a synonym of power / not a substitute; power is power. Google could shut down the communication networks of entire countries if they wanted to. Microsoft could too, most of our governments, hospitals, and banks run on Windows. Malls are being abandoned because of Amazon. Apple has no way near that kind of power. Apple makes more money than the rest, that's it. Apple's products and devices aren't anywhere near as integrated in corporations as the companies I mentioned in my prior reply, and there are many more companies that can grind more corporations to a halt faster than Apple could.

Even Qualcomm could.

But people believe in money so much, and many hate based on it.
 
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I'm not arguing it would or wouldn't hurt Google, I'm arguing it would hurt Apple significantly more. Without Google apps, Apple is a completely walled garden. Inability to use youtube or gmail would prevent any current Android user from switching. It would be a step too far for Apple.
Oh well, I needed the push to migrate from gmail to iCloud mail anyways.
 
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Lol Apple fell back quick

Erm, bet Google was the one calling Apple...Please reinstate our certificate...pleassseeee

Pretty sure both wanted to settle this issue quickly as it is in both side's interest. Speaking of Google and Apple here.

Honestly while I dislike surveillance capitalism I am not so drunk on Apple Koolaid to forget how much Google has done for tech advancement and development. I am not so sure about Facebook.
 
Oh well, I needed the push to migrate from gmail to iCloud mail anyways.
I did as well. And if you are using an app of some sort to get your email you can't even tell the difference. The biggest difference are the web clients but I don't often have to use those any more. Had a gmail account since it was in beta. Switching to iCloud was pretty easy. Duckduckgo is fine. No issues with apple maps.
 
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You do realize that Google pays Apple that huge sum of cash because they benefit from it? If Google were to withdraw from being the default search in Safari, Microsoft would gladly fill the role and instantly give a huge jolt to Bing as the new default search engine on over a billion active devices.

Yes, of course I realize that. The point is Apple complains about Google's privacy-invading practices yet looks the other way and enables it when they're paid to do so.
 
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But TestFlight is not for deploying internal apps. That would an abuse of the rules for TestFlight.

They could use it to TEST internal apps that they don't mind exposing to the public on the App Store. Apple would still have to approve them. They are limited to 10,000 devices, which can be invited by email. 10,000 may not be enough for Google.

Google - nor Facebook - are unlikely to want to exposure their internal apps to the public. Of course, critical ones certainly require password login. But script kiddies would go wild trying to hack them. And many internal apps may not have any authentication at all. (Say, today's lunch menu.)
Yes, that's what I meant - for testing builds of their beta apps.
 
The tribalism and "us vs them" mentality here is frustrating. Apple reinstated both FB and Google's certificates literally within hours, this isn't some sort of war where for us to win they have to lose.

Both companies partner with each other because it's a symbiotic relationship – believe it or not they both benefit from each other and they both do plenty of good for people. Apple wants to be big tech's biggest privacy advocate, users like that. Google's business model based on advertising is seen with hostility here, but advertising also helps hundreds of thousands of small businesses thrive and compete with big corporations that they normally wouldn't be able to in our new digital economy.
 
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What are you talking about? They’ve vetted apps that they found later to collect people’s data and removed them from the App Store.

The apps you’re thinking of were removed for not disclosing in their UA’s that they collect data. Some were even circumventing permissions, tracking location when when not in use, even if the user forbid it. Those examples are different from the countless apps that disclose their data collection but nonetheless are allowed on iOS even though Apple boasts: What happens on your iPhone, stays on iPhone. See the falsehood of that claim?

Want to understand how toothless Tim Cook’s privacy stance is? Read the excellent op–ed by tech reporter, Ian Bogost: https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...les-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/
 
Pretty sure both wanted to settle this issue quickly as it is in both side's interest. Speaking of Google and Apple here.

Honestly while I dislike surveillance capitalism I am not so drunk on Apple Koolaid to forget how much Google has done for tech advancement and development. I am not so sure about Facebook.

Google was not as evil as a search engine a decade or more ago, now the whole internet is infested (virus) with their crap trackers, sad thing is, it's really hard to bypass Google, as much as I try.
 
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Maybe Apple should pull its own developer certificate for its privacy-negligent FaceTime app (not just shut down the server). You know they would have done that if another company had the same bug. Apple is part of the rich elite that needs to be brought down to normal human levels by the Dems and the next administration. Go Ocasio-Cortez!
 
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Maybe Apple should pull its own certificate for its privacy-negligent FaceTime app. You know they would have done that if another company had the same bug. Apple is part of the rich elite that needs to be brought down to normal human levels by the Dems and the next administration. Go Ocasio-Cortez!
They shut it down and are testing the fix. It will be out next week.
 
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I wonder if Google will retaliate by withholding the rumored $9B/year they give Apple to look the other way on Google's other questionable practices by making Google the default search engine on iOS Safari.
Google pays this because they want to be default search engine, Apple doesn't care who is default search, they used bing as default for a while.
 
Maybe Apple should pull its own certificate for its privacy-negligent FaceTime app. You know they would have done that if another company had the same bug. Apple is part of the rich elite that needs to be brought down to normal human levels by the Dems and the next administration. Go Ocasio-Cortez!
Love when people go off half-cocked. (FWIW I'm a fan of AOC as well btw).
They shut it down and are testing the fix. It will be out next week.

They didn't shut down Facetime but only group Facetime afaik. Anyway a bug caused by negligence or you know, typical mistakes is not the same thing as what Facebook and Google did.
 
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