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Ha. Ha. Well, I just bought this 16" Pro (2.6 GHz, 6-core i7, 5300M) in late May with AC+ until May 2023, so I'm all set for the foreseeable future - but these numbers are insane. The new M1 13" Pro beats my machine in CPU and GPU - that's nuts.

Basically, right when my AC+ runs out I'll grab whichever 16" Pro is current and available. Whoa.
 
First generation. If the performance cadence of the M1 continues, we'll see 20% gains for each release for the foreseeable future. Also these apps aren't optimized; it's just literally retargeted for ARM. With profiling and some tuning the scores should go up another couple of percent, maybe around 6-8% (my SWAG on platform-based optimization gains).

That's a pretty big if. So far Apple has been able to deliver with remarkable consistency, but with each generation the fruit hangs higher and higher. Additional optimization is a possibility, although I'd be quite surprised if maxon released a public build in which the SSE intrinsics/assembler parts wouldn't have neon equivalent.
 
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This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Apple is going to add a second M1 chip to the 16" MBP and iMac (and possibly the higher end 13"). I could see them adding even more (4x chips???) to the iMac Pro/Mac Pro.

  • Would give it the extra performance needed to differentiate it from the low end
  • They appear to have the thermal envelope for it, at least on the 16". Could probably make room for it on 13" if needed by sacrificing some of the already super-great battery life.
  • Should enable better GPU performance, meaning support for 2x more external displays
  • Would enable >16GB of ram, probably
  • Means they don't need to develop yet another chip for these products
  • Would explain the delay
It just makes so much sense I almost can't see them not doing it. Then again, they could just crank up the clock speed a little and call it good :confused:
 
I thought this was going to be giant generational leap, and I guess for battery life, it is. But as for performance, it looks like this chip can be best described as “competitive with Intel mobile chips”.

That’s nice and all. But I’m not blown away like I was after Apple’s presentation and seeing the geekbench results.

I’ve gone from “Apple just disrupted the entire industry” to “meh, I guess it’s a good first try.”
😂 You are funny
 
But it's called MacBook... Pro

I get it that's it's the base model, but they should just call it "MacBook".
Does every pro need crazy high end video editing graphics Vm etc. Like come on. High end pros are not the only ones. There are freelancers, business professionals, writers, small time video editors or producers and need I go on. It’s not that hard to understand
 
Cool, how many watts does your rig run off of? And why are you comparing the entry level to your machine anyway? Can you link us to your entry level computer with 15 hour battery life?
People were comparing the M1 to desktop chips last week when geekbench results started to leak. It’s clear now that the M1 can’t hang with desktop processors and Apple has a LONG way to go to be the market leader in performance.

Currently: AMD > Intel > Apple
 
Cool, how many watts does your rig run off of? And why are you comparing the entry level to your machine anyway? Can you link us to your entry level computer with 15 hour battery life?

Entry level...in a Macbook PRO.

I boxed up my iMac Pro and am using this PC build specifically because the iMac Pro didn't reach the ceiling of performance that I needed. So if M1 is going to make me switch back at some point, it will need to far surpass the performance of my power-hungry, hot, desktop PC. :D
 
People were comparing the M1 to desktop chips last week when geekbench results started to leak. It’s clear now that the M1 can’t hang with desktop processors and Apple has a LONG way to go to be the market leader in performance.

Currently: AMD > Intel > Apple
I feel like we're a little premature here considering their low end chips are already cleaning up the mid to high range of the competition.
 
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Apple is going to add a second M1 chip to the 16" MBP and iMac (and possibly the higher end 13"). I could see them adding even more (4x chips???) to the iMac Pro/Mac Pro.

  • Would give it the extra performance needed to differentiate it from the low end
  • They appear to have the thermal envelope for it, at least on the 16". Could probably make room for it on 13" if needed by sacrificing some of the already super-great battery life.
  • Should enable better GPU performance, meaning support for 2x more external displays
  • Would enable >16GB of ram, probably
  • Means they don't need to develop yet another chip for these products
  • Would explain the delay
It just makes so much sense I almost can't see them not doing it. Then again, they could just crank up the clock speed a little and call it good :confused:
Probably something with eight performance cores and four low power. There were a lot of rumors initially about a 12 core but hey a 16 core 12/4 why not 😍
 
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Apple is going to add a second M1 chip to the 16" MBP and iMac (and possibly the higher end 13"). I could see them adding even more (4x chips???) to the iMac Pro/Mac Pro.

  • Would give it the extra performance needed to differentiate it from the low end
  • They appear to have the thermal envelope for it, at least on the 16". Could probably make room for it on 13" if needed by sacrificing some of the already super-great battery life.
  • Should enable better GPU performance, meaning support for 2x more external displays
  • Would enable >16GB of ram, probably
  • Means they don't need to develop yet another chip for these products
  • Would explain the delay
It just makes so much sense I almost can't see them not doing it. Then again, they could just crank up the clock speed a little and call it good :confused:

The cost of doing that would be prohibitive.
 
People were comparing the M1 to desktop chips last week when geekbench results started to leak. It’s clear now that the M1 can’t hang with desktop processors and Apple has a LONG way to go to be the market leader in performance.
Comparing the M1 to desktop CPUs makes no sense. The proper benchmark is the Tiger Lake (especially once the 8-core version comes out) and comparable AMD Ryzen laptop CPUs.
 


Comparatively, a 2020 16-inch MacBook Pro with 2.3GHz Core i9 chip earned a multi-core score of 8818, according to a MacRumors reader who benchmarked his machine with the new R23 update that came out last week.
Juli, again, there is no “2020 16-inch MacBook Pro”. This clarification is important given recent speculation that there may be such an official release. For now, there is only a 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro.
 
Maybe im reading it wrong but 7508 seems to be WAY down on the list making that a really bad score.
i5s score higher (according to the site listing other scores).
 
I feel like we're a little premature here considering their low end chips are already cleaning up the mid to high range of the competition.

I’m only judging what they’ve released. When they release a faster chip, I’ll judge that one. I’m only referring to the M1.

Keep in mind the cost of the 13” Pro puts it up against laptops with high-end chips. And $699 is not at all cheap for a desktop.
 
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These results seem solid, but not exactly ground breaking. There are AMD chips that have higher multicore score even when constrained to 15W TDP (Ryzen 7 4800U). But this is just a one number, it might not give the whole picture. There are more questions to be answered - how's the sustained performance? What's the actual power draw of the CPU cores during load? Fan noise? CPU temperature? Battery life under full load?
 
How many threads has the M1? Because the i9 in the Macbook Pro 16" has 16 threads and this is why it has a score around 8500 points. My impression is that the M1 scores almost 8000 points with "just" 8 threads! Or Am I missing something?
 
I’m only judging what they’ve released. When they release a faster chip, I’ll judge that one. I’m only referring to the M1.

Keep in mind the cost of the 13” Pro puts it up against laptops with high-end chips. And $699 is not at all cheap for a desktop.
Your trolling, comparing laptop chips with desktop chips. And again FOUR PERFORMANCE CORES and FOUR LOW POWER cores. I'm sure that will be different for desktop chips.
 
Wat.


I thought this was going to be giant generational leap, and I guess for battery life, it is. But as for performance, it looks like this chip can be best described as “competitive with Intel mobile chips”.

That’s nice and all. But I’m not blown away like I was after Apple’s presentation and seeing the geekbench results. I’ve gone from “Apple just disrupted the entire industry” to “meh, I guess it’s a good first try.”

this is the entry level, lowest model.

and you can’t buy a faster single core laptop from Apple. Not even high end 16.

and to have a faster multi core, you have to go with maxed out 16.

This is insanely fast.
 
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