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But gee golly wize, it's not a desktop chip, it's a low-end laptop chip. But let's face it: You're only here to piss on everyone's parade, so ...
Why is it pissing on everyone's parade to point out what may not be a good comparison? I swear reading many of these posts it's as if Apple has some magical (M1) secret no other processor designers are privy to.
 
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Well, that's great for you, but many people do need windows. And not just Windows, I have VMs of old macOS versions that I need to test software with. That's also not possible to run on M1 anymore. For some people (including me) this is going to be a very painful transition, and if the CPU is only marginally better than what AMD has to offer (forget intel), that's a difficult pill to swallow. All this said, M1 is likely not meant to complete with R7 4800U, so fingers crossed for M1X.
You know that AMD has been unable to deliver these mobile chips in large quantities. Hard to buy a machine with one and the ones that exist are low-end plastic junk.
 
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Do we know for certain what the power envelope is in the Macbook Pro?

You can't directly compare 4 cores + hyperthreading to 8 discrete cores. I suspect the 6- and 8-core versions of Tiger Lake will "blow away" the M1 in multi-threaded performance (not that MT is particularly important for an ultraportable).

I think it's only fair to compare Apple latest CPU to the latest CPUs of the competitors, rather than to older generations.

Tiger Lake laptops are readily available now.
We do not know the power envelope. Nobody at Apple has ever confirmed anything. People keep pointing to an interview where the numbers 10-15 W were mentioned, but if you actually watch the interview, those numbers are never actually confirmed.
 
Apple has specifically stated that the M1 is the first step in a FAMILY of SoC's designed for the Mac and that it's targeted at the mainstream of the Mac market: MBA, base model 13" MBP, and base model Mac Mini. Let's wait and see what they have in the pipeline.
I'm all for waiting. But in the meantime we should be honest that the M1 is competitive with Intel Tiger Lake and quite a bit behind AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile chips in multicore performance, with 5000 series coming out in 2021.
 
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Still slower than old 15W TDP Ryzen 4600U CPU while incompatible with 99.9% of existing software. Can't wait for Ryzen 5000U mobile CPUs with Zen 3 architecture and RDNA2 graphics.

Actually M1 is 30% faster in single core than the 4600U, and compatible with everything. Rosetta2 is amazing!
 
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R7 4800U gets 10156 in Cinebench R23, as opposed to M1's 7566. Granted that's on 25W, on 15W it would still be over 8000 (according to 15/25W score in Cinebench R20). So how is AMD far far behind Apple in multicore performance in 15-25 laptop chips?
That 60% difference in wattage is likely more important than you're giving credit for (also, scales on R20 to R23 are not identical, so it's more than a bit disingenuous to postulate here), not to mention the wattage on the M1 includes the entire SoC.

Additionally, for a pure look CPU, not including any throttling effects, Geekbench is likely the better benchmark, where M1 does handily outperform the 4800U.

Finally, these are Apple's entry level chips -- a fairer comparison against AMD's higher performance laptop chips isn't available, yet. Those will be available likely in the next 6 months.
 
Cool! What’s your single thread score?

Cinebench R23 (Single-Core)

Cinebench R23 is the successor of Cinebench R20 and is also based on the Cinema 4 Suite. Cinema 4 is a worldwide used software to create 3D forms. The single-core test only uses one CPU core, the amount of cores or hyperthreading ability doesn't count.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
6x 3.70 GHz (4.60 GHz) HT

1572
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Intel Core i7-1185G7 Intel Core i7-1185G7
4x 3.00 GHz (4.80 GHz) HT

1538
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Intel Core i7-1165G7 Intel Core i7-1165G7
4x 2.80 GHz (4.70 GHz) HT

1504
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Intel Core i9-10900K Intel Core i9-10900K
10x 3.70 GHz (5.30 GHz) HT

1418
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Intel Core i9-10900KF Intel Core i9-10900KF
10x 3.70 GHz (5.30 GHz) HT

1418
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AMD Ryzen 9 3950X AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
16x 3.50 GHz (4.70 GHz) HT

1371
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Intel Core i9-10850K Intel Core i9-10850K
10x 3.60 GHz (5.20 GHz) HT

1367
 
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Wow, I can see the Apple Silicon totally dominating the industry*

*only in Mac computers made by Apple... which are less than 10% of the industry.

Apple isn't selling these chips to anyone else in the industry.

Dell, HP, Lenovo and others will have to be satisfied with chips from Intel and AMD...

:p
 
Actually M1 is 30% faster in single core than the 4600U, and compatible with everything. Rosetta2 is amazing!

"Compatible with everything" That's unverified and we don't yet know what the performance will be like on many compat. apps
 
I think it’s a mistake to assume M1 is equivalent to 10 W in Intel TDP terms.
I know, but at the same time, the power envelope of the M1 seems to be lower than Intel’s 15W TDP in the previous MacBook Air given the 50% increased battery life when running a web browser. Of course, the lack of a fan and perhaps a more efficient display could also factor here.
 
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The 3 GHz Tiger Lake has slightly higher single-core performance (~1570). The multi-core performance is slower than the M1 at ~6200, but that's with only half the CPU cores. The M1 performance is impressive, but it doesn't really "blow away" Intel at least in this benchmark.

I was under the impression that the M1 Macbook Pro has active cooling, but I may be wrong.
Whats the TDP on that Tiger lake CPU? If I was the CEO of Intel I would be a bit concerned at what the next 12-24 months will bring.
 
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Well, that's great for you, but many people do need windows. And not just Windows, I have VMs of old macOS versions that I need to test software with. That's also not possible to run on M1 anymore. For some people (including me) this is going to be a very painful transition, and if the CPU is only marginally better than what AMD has to offer (forget intel), that's a difficult pill to swallow. All this said, M1 is likely not meant to complete with R7 4800U, so fingers crossed for
So take a cloud Windows pc, problem solved. And seems Parallels is working for Windows support, or just keep your Intel one for the next years.

And no offense but only Zen3 and that R7 4800U is nice, previous versions where not that impressive. Apple made this call years ago when AMD sucked really hard.
Also don't underestimate Intel, if they get their fab in place or perhaps use TSMC i'm sure they hit back.

I'm happy with this performance and all other things possible now which weren't before with Intel or AMD.

It's like F1, you won't win with a customer engine, you need your own factory engine :)
 
You know that AMD has been unable to deliver these mobile chips in large quantities. Hard to buy a machine with one and the ones that exist are low-end plastic junk.
Yes, that's very disappointing. I think part of it is that for historical reasons intel still has much stronger relationship with device manufacturers, and somehow managed to cement itself in flagship products.
 
Yes, that's very disappointing. I think part of it is that for historical reasons intel still has much stronger relationship with device manufacturers, and somehow managed to cement itself in flagship products.
No they don't have enough space at TSMC for their chips, blame Apple :p
 
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I sweat reading many of these posts it's as if Apple has some magical (M1) secret know other processor designers are privy to.
They don't, they just ditched the technical debt that is the x86 instruction set and didn't worry about compatibility with third-party hardware either. This is what happens when you control the entire pipeline.
 
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