You always have an alternative, and you can buy a macOS-compatible computer several ares cheaper and much faster than macstudio ultra or MacPro. https://macstorm.eu/
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Apple Silicon Mac Pro Reportedly Not Coming at WWDC, Mac Studio Refresh Likely Delayed Until M3
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Sure, let's base a business on a pirated product. 🤣
That's fine for personal use, but what kind of company wants that liability?
Well that about the worse designed website I‘ve seen in awhile. Must have paid hardly anything to do that one.
I mean… they have? The Mac Studio is hardly low-performance.
Doesn't matter. It's Apple's self-imposed deadline. They can't suddenly wiggle their way out of it with "oh, it turns out this is difficult".
Of course it is.
I don't find "they ended up with a design that would be so specialized and expensive, they wouldn't be able to make it up in volume" hard to believe.
100% legal in the European Union and a lot companies use it . macOS is free and You can install on any device. It is origin macOS downloaded from apple store with no any changes. Anyway according to Apple macOS does not work on PC computers . And if it doesn't officially work then it can't be illegal , logical I guess 😆
Most hackintosh support sites don’t say that, instead they warn people, it’s a use at you own risk senario For hobbyist. Yes you assume all being supported risks.
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At this point I don't see how Mx based Mac Pro would be significantly better than Mac Studio. They can stack cores as much as they want to but that requires a lot of compromises because scaling is not 1:1 ratio as seen on M1 versions. Again Apple's best bet is to keep Mac Pro x86 and somehow either switch to AMD all the way or get nVidia on board. I think people would have a lot more flexibility when they can boot to either macOS, Windows or Linux distribution and have powerful x86 CPU and GPU on board.
The worst problem with the MacPro is the fact that you have to unplug every single device to get the cover off. The old MacPro has a nice drop-down panel. The new MacPro one has to lift the entire housing up and off and if anything is plugged in, you have to unplug it. So dumb.
The interconnect is probably harder than doing the CPU itself, so multiplying the complexity of that interconnect raises the whole complexity of the AS exponentially.
There's a reason Apple's interconnect is pretty unique, as nobody has even got that far before. (at least that I know of. I'm a COSC graduate with heavy EE leanings and it just breaks my brain in how much you have to think about in such a system.)
The current version of iMac is essentially a giant iPad with a build in stand but no touch screen.
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Why would any company give up its product?
It's like saying Apple should just open source iOS so that it can work with a broad range of phones.
Takes me back to the good ole days when I went from an ATI 5870 to an AMD RX 580 because I wasn't going to splurge on the Apple "Blessed" 7970. What a time to be alive.
I did try the GTX 680 at some point but I remember having trouble with it and ultimately gave up or was stuck on an older OS for a while. Could have been both.
I call bullcrap... someone has been feeding Gurman misinformation for a while now. His constant back and forth on expectations is getting ridiculous. It seems that he and Ming-Chi Kuo are constantly battling to see who can get these rumors out first.
Furthermore, this rumor makes ZERO sense... Apple is not going to release the Mac Pro with an M2 Ultra and then wait for the M3 Ultra for the Studio. It makes no sense to produce a single variant for such a low volume system and then several months later add an SoC to the Studio that is much more powerful.
It would make much more sense to update the Studio line to the M2 at WWDC, and preview a new "M3-based*" Mac Pro, that would be released later in the year.
(*Although I still believe Apple is developing a completely different chip for the Mac Pro, one that fits into a more expandable, high performance system.)
Furthermore, this rumor makes ZERO sense... Apple is not going to release the Mac Pro with an M2 Ultra and then wait for the M3 Ultra for the Studio. It makes no sense to produce a single variant for such a low volume system and then several months later add an SoC to the Studio that is much more powerful.
It would make much more sense to update the Studio line to the M2 at WWDC, and preview a new "M3-based*" Mac Pro, that would be released later in the year.
(*Although I still believe Apple is developing a completely different chip for the Mac Pro, one that fits into a more expandable, high performance system.)
He does seem along with Ming-Chi Kau way to spontaneous to offer his views along with MacRumors propping up their opinions too much. You could this year claim the paid press or financial analysts are constantly directing what we discuss and need to be put on leases. Remember Kau’s crusade concerning the AR/VR vs Apple being the last hope, most of us are sick of these two directing our interests to where Apple is going.
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Well, AMD's Infinity Fabric connecting multiple chiplets on a package is a very similar thing. It is certainly not impossible, but it is really tricky.
And if Apple is putting a PCIe bridge chip on their UltraFusion fabric as well, that only makes it more complicated.
I'm not familiar with AMD Inifinity Fabric, guess I have some reading to do! I've always thought of AMD as more of an x86 clone and not interesting enough to look in to -- my problem.
No, I don't think it's impossible either, but there's the question of is it worth the work, and how long is it going to take. I really don't know enough about apple's architecture to even make a guess.
Well, AMD does plenty of interesting things. The entire current x86-64 architecture is AMD's design, which Intel licensed from them.
My guess is that at the MP level Apple will be continuing in their higher efficiency direction. High performance, but not via hot inefficient bundles of PCI GPU and huge amounts of off-chip RAM. 2023 it seems that including PCIe access would make sense due to users' investment in cards, but what really interests me is to see what the 2023 MP architecture and M3 chips portend for the future. Personally I have always felt that Apple would need M3 transistor densities to make the splash an upgraded MP needs to make.My bad - M2 Pro memory is 5 times slower, M2 Max memory is "only" 3 times slower than 4090 series cards
What does M1 Ultra performance have to do with anything? The absolute cheapest model of M1 Ultra is $4k currently.
$4k buys you a PC which SMOKES M1 Ultra in 3D / AI / Adobe creative suite applications (single core performance is the only important thing with Adobe - because they don't care and didnt optimise their software). The only thing it *might* be faster in is 4K/8K encoding.
All Apple can do when communicating with someone interested in high performance is lie by showing a misleading graph of how M1 outperforms a 3080 series card at low wattage, which has absolutely no meaning in real life. I have no idea who came up with that graph but it was soooo stupid...
M silicon is cool tech which freed Apple from other (sh*tty on their own terms) vendors such as intel and nvidia.
But the path they chose is not for prosumers. And it was a wise move - it's just a tiny niche market anyway, comparing to the buying potential of all other customers. The benefits of closed architecture vastly outweigh the cons. But they should have declared clearly there is no Mac Pro coming in foreseeable future - since they did declare its coming and didn't deliver. After they realised where the tech world is going (good job not noticing it sooner...), it was fair to announce something, even between the lines, what the future holds. Are we getting semi-open M silicon? Are we getting binned version of regular M silicon? Or maybe a dedicated, GPU-enhanced M silicon just for Pro model? I'm in the market for a Mac Pro, I dont know if I should be waiting or just give up. Considering they didn't deliver on their promise, they owe us at least a controlled leak of what's going on...
No. Apple choosing a different track than old-style hot desktop behemoths does not mean Apple considers AI/ML a flash in the pan. They may simply be choosing a different long-term track to serve their perceived future users. We get to watch it play out.
But it's supposed to be AR/mixed reality. Not exactly gaming hardware like Oculus. More like a wearable external screen.