Love how Apple fanboys complained about the slow update cadence for Intel chips and now face the same problem with Apple chips. Now you have slow updates and loss of mainstream Microsoft capabilities.
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Apple Silicon Mac Pro Reportedly Not Coming at WWDC, Mac Studio Refresh Likely Delayed Until M3
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I always thought they'd continue the Mac pro in some capacity, for their own internal R&D alone. The Studio is a fabulous machine, but an M chip mac pro will still beat it for high demanding tasks.
And what are they going to use for tasks like developing AI and machine learning? PCs? I guess they could have their own internal line of Mac Pros, but why not put them on the market?
And what are they going to use for tasks like developing AI and machine learning? PCs? I guess they could have their own internal line of Mac Pros, but why not put them on the market?
I agree there are costs.
I'm just saying that if Apple, which is in control of every step of the process, wilfully are making SOC-designs that makes it difficult/expensive/hard work to upgrade their own product line, then they are simply not doing a good job taking advatage of the situation they've created.
I am just doubting that SOC designers would be allowed to create M-chips that would require a major revamp of the entire product line for each new chip iteration. It simply does not make business sense.
I’m thinking most of this centers around everything that’s happened since 2020. Industry shortages at the top of the list.
The top 3 things that openly display imperfection in the update cycle is iMac is still M1, Mac Studio still M1 generation, and no Mac Pro.
Apple unveiled a brand new M2 MBA at WWDC 2022. Then it’s predicted they will unveil a brand new 15” MBA at WWDC 2023 that’s still M2. Probably not what they wanted to do, but they are at the mercy of some factors beyond their control.
The Mac Studio has probably not been updated because there may never be an M2 Ultra.
It will be interesting to see what cadence is established over the next few years, especially when external factors improve.
The top 3 things that openly display imperfection in the update cycle is iMac is still M1, Mac Studio still M1 generation, and no Mac Pro.
Apple unveiled a brand new M2 MBA at WWDC 2022. Then it’s predicted they will unveil a brand new 15” MBA at WWDC 2023 that’s still M2. Probably not what they wanted to do, but they are at the mercy of some factors beyond their control.
The Mac Studio has probably not been updated because there may never be an M2 Ultra.
It will be interesting to see what cadence is established over the next few years, especially when external factors improve.
Are they really that or are they the type that demands something newer and then don't buy anything?
I cannot imagine running my business and relying on Apple releasing Mac Pros.
it is borderline insanity to do that unless you are a real outlier.
it is borderline insanity to do that unless you are a real outlier.
Great news, means current Macs are powerful enough for development of realityOS apps.
Yes because the Mac Studio lacks the quieter cooling that you find in a small tower form. Just the fact that they built it to use either Max or Ultra with different metal thermals is like you are making two different Mac Studios. Bays for additional storage and likely more ports to drive additional 6K displays would be another or other I/O would be also there.
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Given the discounts on M2 Pro/Max MBP along with previous 2021 models for even less, I think it's a reasonable premise. The MBPs have great displays for a bright room, compared to the 13" M2 MBA. The colors as well as the two sizes also. They have been selling well ever since they arrived in Oct 2021 as AS platform MBP. Serious it took several days to locate the M1 Max models early when they were being sold. The MBA is no where they're equal once the discounting started because of performance vs battery life. Most business people have a 14"/16" MBP. The 13" MBP is like an odd duckling still as they still haven't updated the 720P Face Time Camera and old stereo speakers.
Not DOA. MBAs are the low end of Apple's laptops and as such use a fraction of the competence already available from M2 SoC. A very few folks want "M3" or "3nm" for their own (IMO silly) reasons, even though any MBA will only use the bottom of M2 or M3.
Most buyers either do not notice M2 versus M3 or are aware enough to know M2 v. M3 changes almost nothing except price when buying a lower end box.
you say this, but in my experience my mac studio ultra remains silent under full load.
apple does not want to give up there over priced storage and offer faster m.2 slots
I am not talking about the slight noise that is present with that Studio chassis, but because you are using a small tower form you can make it more sound proof.
Looking back everything is so quiet compared to the Delco Water Cooled Dual G5 Power Mac large tower just before the return of intel to Mac (changed name to Mac Pro) . That was noisy, and was a boat anchor to carry.
What a S$# show. Yes we can blame the pandemic that derailed whatever plans they had but no back up plan or something during the pandemic?. It shows the SOC road-map was not a straight line and its gone off the sidelines into the ditch here n there starting with the confusing naming, release cycle and new products like headsets. I'm sure foldables are the next rumours to grace us soon. Hoping something decent comes out of all of this in the near future.
There IS a new Mac Pro. It's called the Mac Studio.
That would be a good idea cause the M3 will have Ray tracing hardware capabilities. Something that makes the difference in various content creation workflows. And if Mas wants to seriously compete with PC the have to be able to offer Super graphics performance.
Try an M2 MBP Max plus add-your-own displays (I use three 4K Viewsonics), adding mobility to your setup.
Who knows exactly what Apple prioritizes from one device to the next.
I'm sure they are taking advantage of the situation, given their definitions of "advantage" not ours.
I never said "major revamp", I just think they would make some changes, which has a cost. That's all. If the return for speed bumping the Mac Studio is next to zero, it doesn't take a huge cost to say: don't bother.
Agreed. Now Mac Studio won’t get updated until M3 Max and Ultra? I expect the M3 Pro to be better than the M1 Ultra. So a Mac mini will beat out a Mac Studio for a short while. This is why it’s not good to update lowest devices first. As a Pro, I don’t like Apple’s treatment here.
But everything else won’t thrive. For a short time a M3 Pro Mac Mini will be better than a high end Mac Studio. That’s not good.
Why? Because it is trivially easy to put M2 Max into the M1 Max Studio, it would have sold a fair number of Studios and most importantly it would have un-frustrated lots of buyers like me who would have bought an M2 Studio months ago.
M2 Studio Ultra can wait for new Mac Pros.
Yes? I need more than what the Mac Studio puts out.