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Apple Silicon Mac Reviews: M1 Chip Delivers Exceptional Performance, Thermals, and Battery Life
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Still need physical distance between outermost lens surface and image sensor - plus space for whatever additional lenses are in the stack since just a single element isn't going to do the job. Plus there's the sensor size / low light performance tradeoffs, and the required lens/sensor spacing being dependent on sensor size. Oh and you want 1080 vs 720? All else the same, that'll require a larger sensor and correspondingly deeper lens/sensor assembly - or keep the same depth and sacrifice low-light capability.
Physics is a cruel byatch.
Not that I know of.
This is one of those WTF moves from Apple too. "Why daisy chain using relatively inexpensive DisplayPort only monitors with a wide selection when you can pony up for a limited selection of Thunderbolt monitors?"
And don't get me wrong, I have had the LG 5K pretty much since it was released. Still got it. Still love it. If this next year is kind to me I might indulge in the 6K—and not because I need pro graphics but retina at that size is so easy on the eyes and I like 1 really nice monitor over several lesser monitors.
With that said, the Thunderbolt monitors are stupid expensive and realistically, they're mostly pointless after the first one on the chain. You only "need" power deliver and I/O from the first monitor.
Why would they? It’s not running iOS, it’s running MacOS, complete with the macOS virtual memory system. Even the DTK didn‘t do what you are suggesting.
1% battery loss per minute so worst case 1 hour 40 min battery life under gaming load. Some were claiming 20 hours under load. Do a rundown after a few discharge/recharge cycles and see what the true under load battery life is.
that’s true and also a bit what I expect from the verge and the like. But there are valid reasons also why one could question the size of the psu. For Apple it is very likely more economical to use same as in all the other, and oversized will be safe for being more stable if there are spikes in the usage. On the other hand, the Mac mini could probably be slightly smaller if it was smaller.
Yup. Will do. It was also syncing my messages and photos whilst running WoW. So it would have been doing indexing etc too. Seriously impressed so far. Just running the 11.0.1 update then gonna install the office 365 beta. Will leave it on overnight to complete indexing etc. I’m beginning to believe that Apple DO have a T800 skull and chip in the bowels of their head offices.
These sound like smash hits. I did not expect such great leaps. And all these apps are running under Rosetta. These chips must be compete beasts. Let’s hope these are the low end and not the high end and Apple has even more powerful chips in the pipeline.
It will never happen. You can’t virtualize between two completely different cpu architectures. That is why they are not taking about it. It is a very different product.
It will require emulation instead and I don’t see VMWare or Parallels ever going that route.
The journalist is a journalist not an electrical engineer. Easiest explanation.
Yup. I bought an i7 early 2020 MBA months ago, and the M1 makes it look like a 2015 MacBook with a Core m.
You don't need to be a weatherman to know which the wind is blowing. He may be a journalist but he is a tech journalist, isn't he?
I'm hoping for a rebirth of the 12" MacBook. That machine with 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports is extremely appealing, even if the form factor is a bit fatter (more like the Pro than the Air). The 14" rumors are interesting as well. And, of course, if Apple opens up some of their specialized authentication libraries (e.g. allow 3rd party apps to authenticate using the Watch) I might even just go to a Mini.
After using the TouchBar since 2016, I can live without it. It's kinda neat for controls, but without working directly on the laptop most of the time it's... it's a very expensive volume and brightness slider, lol.
I'm really curious about how these chips fit into the higher end machines. While I have no need/interest in a Mac Pro, that's the machine I am most curious to see in all of this. This SoC business is all very well and good in the mobile space, but that ain't gonna fly on workstations in terms of integrated memory and GPUs. How Apple tackles that is (hopefully) going to be interesting as well.
After using the TouchBar since 2016, I can live without it. It's kinda neat for controls, but without working directly on the laptop most of the time it's... it's a very expensive volume and brightness slider, lol.
I'm really curious about how these chips fit into the higher end machines. While I have no need/interest in a Mac Pro, that's the machine I am most curious to see in all of this. This SoC business is all very well and good in the mobile space, but that ain't gonna fly on workstations in terms of integrated memory and GPUs. How Apple tackles that is (hopefully) going to be interesting as well.
Is it really too much to ask for a "reviewer" to plug in a Thunderbolt 3 Dock w/ dual DisplayPort/4k and tell us all what happens?
In theory based on available Thunderbolt 3 controllers (sans a teardown, we don't know) both the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro 13 should have the requisite DisplayPort lanes to drive dual displays at least through a dock.
Com'on man!!!
In theory based on available Thunderbolt 3 controllers (sans a teardown, we don't know) both the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro 13 should have the requisite DisplayPort lanes to drive dual displays at least through a dock.
Com'on man!!!
Why would entry-level laptops and a desktop targeted for consumers need to run more than two monitors?
If you have a workflow that demands three screens or more, then these first Apple Silicon computers are not for you. These are for the millions of people who have more modest use-cases.
Some here explained it before. It’s about optics and depth. The top of the laptop is much thinner than a phone. They would need to have a bump on the back of the laptop and they don’t want to. Physics is the problem. I did the same as you - I checked a bunch of super thin laptops and none of them had 1080p. I really think it’s not possible on the Air.
I think the main complaint about that is going to be efficiency. Apple saved quite a bit of coin by using the same power supply as the Intel Macs, but if the M1 MM is only drawing 30 watts full tilt, a 60 watt power supply would make the M1 Mac mini much more efficient at idle than putting an overspec power supply. Power supplies are least efficient when you're drawing further away from peak power rating. ie. A 5 watt load on a 20 watt power supply will draw closer to 5 watts than a 5 watt load on a 150 watt power supply which would can draw 7.5 watts due to less efficiency. We see the same thing in the PC Gaming world where gamers will drop a $300+ 1200 watt power supply in a computer that will draw only 300 watts at full tilt.
Those entry level bank computers, for example, have dual displays. Dual display is a productivity enhancement and has no association with low or high end computing.
You can't have three screens with the notebooks. Every other entry level can do it now. And these notebooks don't have entry level performances. Yes, we are holding them wrong.
You just said: "bank computers." That is a business-productivity use.
The M1 Mac Minis can drive two monitors.
Apple still sells Intel Mac Minis that can drive more.
These are the first releases. This is only the beginning of the transition. These are consumer-targeted.
Maybe they won't, but then smaller companies will fill the gap. Plus there's always qemu. Qemu will be getting a lot of attention now that people have a reason to pay attention to it.
If it doesn't fit your use case, don't buy it. Not sure why people always feel the need to threadcr*p. My iPad Pro can't drive 52 monitors, but I really don't give a ****.
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Man, I really wish Apple had gotten rid of the stupid "Air" name. I hate it. This was the time to do it!!
MacBook Pro, MacBook, MacBook Mini (11"...would love to see this)
iPad Pro, iPad, iPad Mini (like iPhone mini), iPad SE
iPhone Pro, iPhone, iPhone mini, iPhone SE
Alas, the name matters very little with performance of this caliber.
Looks like the M1 is a home run. Now Apple, fix the rest (including the name).
MacBook Pro, MacBook, MacBook Mini (11"...would love to see this)
iPad Pro, iPad, iPad Mini (like iPhone mini), iPad SE
iPhone Pro, iPhone, iPhone mini, iPhone SE
Alas, the name matters very little with performance of this caliber.
Looks like the M1 is a home run. Now Apple, fix the rest (including the name
).True....pure emulations plays will get more attention now in this space. People will just need to recalibrate their performance expectations since it will not be virtualization. Now the increases in raw power from the M1 will offset some of that, but it will absolutely be a hit.