How about a 6-year cycle, a la the 2013 Mac Pro to the 2019 Mac Pro? ?
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Even Jobs was humble enough to admit when an OS got so bloated it was time to streamline, focus on bugs, and make more efficient (10.6). I'm waiting for an iteration where Cook does the same.
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guys here saying that they don't buy the latest apple products every year clearly do not like apple products. why don't you just go back to the PC/android counterparts if you hate apple so much
So all this mean a M2 will be equivalent to the current M1 Pro/Max and big difference will be M2 Pro/Max.
I think Apple issue is going to be marketing these chips. The current M1 family are already hitting the point of diminishing return for the average user. Right now people are mainly feeling the performance bump of SoC for desktop/laptop machines. Once users get used to the Soc speed jump they aren't going to feel see performance leaps in next generations of SoC. Even Procumer types user probably won't notice a lot of difference except maybe those doing video and rendering times and scrubbing speed. Now people doing was was called workstation class work or large scale work will be main ones to benefit from what the M2 brings, but that is a tiny market. So what is all this push for speed all about, the slowest part of a computer setup is the user. Computers are alway waiting on the user to type another key. Apple real target for all these chip advances are it push into autonomous vehicles and AI. We mere mortals are just a combination of beta tester and buying products to fund future Apple move into bigger AI markets.
I think Apple issue is going to be marketing these chips. The current M1 family are already hitting the point of diminishing return for the average user. Right now people are mainly feeling the performance bump of SoC for desktop/laptop machines. Once users get used to the Soc speed jump they aren't going to feel see performance leaps in next generations of SoC. Even Procumer types user probably won't notice a lot of difference except maybe those doing video and rendering times and scrubbing speed. Now people doing was was called workstation class work or large scale work will be main ones to benefit from what the M2 brings, but that is a tiny market. So what is all this push for speed all about, the slowest part of a computer setup is the user. Computers are alway waiting on the user to type another key. Apple real target for all these chip advances are it push into autonomous vehicles and AI. We mere mortals are just a combination of beta tester and buying products to fund future Apple move into bigger AI markets.
The crucial issue with PPC was that the major chip designers (Motorola and IBM), weren’t pushing the consumer side of the PPC, Motorola was slacking, and IBM was only interested in servers. Apple didn’t have their chip design crew then.
And Intel was coming out of the Itanium debacle with the amazing Core cpus, and had a process node advantage.
Things may repeat themselves, nobody can predict the future, but as it currently sits I’d say Apple has the advantage, and will continue to have the advantage for the foreseeable future.
Thing is, Apple doesn’t have to care about Moore’s Law. Intel was all about brute forcing their way using physics to cover up their poor design. However, that gets harder to do at smaller sizes. Some of Apple’s strides came from things Intel could/would never do, like dumping the part of the core used for 32-bit instructions, and using that space more wisely. The number of transistors doesn’t HAVE to double if you’re continually making smart decisions with the space you have.ah......someone has read Moore's Law & Apple Park...
What is Moore's Law? – How Does Moore’s Law Work? | Synopsys
Moore's law is a term used to refer to the observation made by Gordon Moore in 1965 that the number of transistors in a dense integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years.www.synopsys.com
To be sure, a denser chip DOES have some inherent advantages, but those advantages can be smashed by an inefficient design.
What lessons can be learned? One is “design your own CPU’s” or “DON’T let IBM and Motorola design your CPU’s” You’ll note that neither IBM nor Motorola have a hand in this, so it appears the lesson was well learned!
I don’t doubt this one bit. The sales of any Mac Pro are going to be even smaller with the other solutions performing as well as they do. The folks that need “The Fastest Mac in the World” will be few and far between indeed. Once those few hundred thousands have their machines, why keep churning out upgrades that won’t be bought?
I’m guessing a 3-4 year cycle for that top end, IF not longer.
Performance and significant battery life improvements could justify an upgrade sooner.
3D slicers and even Apple’s own graphic drivers for the UHD-630 want to talk to you about that bold statement …
There were some obvious architectural changes with M1 Pro/Max that made the OS have to recognize what its working with, as well as various problems. Its was not the case off your could simply have one based on a M1 and the other a M1 Pro and it just worked. So yes the M1 Pro/Max was delayed getting it to work, as well as build up a inventory late 2021.
I think the worse rumormongering occurred suggesting that revised MBPs would be out before or around WWDC 2021. You only just released redesigned 24" iMac/ M1 iPad at end of May 2021, with the first M1 Laptops, and Mini previously Nov 2020. There was way too much anticipation for more powerful M family processors with TSMC rumors saying that early yields were occurring in April/May. What a feeding frenzy it was at that time with rumors. It's takes several months for Apple manufacturing to gear up for consumer release of a new production when they have parts. I am just happy we got the revised 2021 MBPs finally Oct 2021!
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Generally speaking... yes.
Just not for me... as I need a mobile machine but almost only use it plugged in.
Especially GPU performance and video encoding are also way better... but both are not tooooo relevant for me either.
But YMMV. These new MBPs DO kick some serious ass
The M2 will not be the equivalent of the M1 Pro/Max, it will be a slightly faster M1 with a similar core/GPU configuration. The M1 Pro/Max will continue being faster in multicore and graphics performance. The A14 and A12Z are great examples of this.
These leakers can’t even do basic arithmetic. 18 months from November 2020 would be May of 2022, also known as H1 of 2022. Which would mean the first M2 is likely going to make an appearance in the next iPad Pro.
H2 of 2022 would put it at 24 months in the fall.
H2 of 2022 would put it at 24 months in the fall.
Just because the CPU cycle is an even 18 months does not mean that the products will be.One can’t help noticing that the way this is rumored that it could easily be by 2 years rather then 18 months. For example the M1 arrived Nov 2020, and they guess the M2 will arrive second half of 2022. But M2X going by the same logic won’t happen first half of 2023. They should have guessed it would occur second half of 2023.
For example, the M1 MacBook Air, MacBook Pro and Mac mini launched in November 2020, but the M1 iMac and iPad Pro didn’t launch until May 2021.
So just because the M2 Will be available 18 months after the M1 launched, so around April – May 2022, doesn’t mean that they will launch any significant products at that time. They could wait until September – October to launch the MacBook Air, it takes time for things to go into mass production.
Another example, the M1 pro and max shipped in the new MacBook Pro‘s this past October, but aren’t rumourd to ship in the new IMAX until next spring. Same processors, they’re ready to ship, they’re available, but the iMacs are not yet.
Also, we still have M1 chips that are being readied to be introduced, the M1max Duo and Quad for the Mac Pro and possibly the iMac Pro.
That’s what I expect to come first.
Yeah, this 18 month idea simply doesn't compute, and messes with my OCD.
More likely, some rumour tosser has looked at the late '20 launch of the M1, and the impending early '22 launch of the M2 MBA updated design, and extrapolated that thus it's an 18 month cycle, without factoring in the complication that they are still finished the initial redesigns of the hardware. More realistically, when all the redesign settles down, it will be a 12 month chip refresh, with 12 month minor updates to all machines, and the occasionally major update. Basically, similar to how the iPhone updates go. I mean, the M-series is pretty much just a beefed up A-series, so most of the work is already done with each A-series update, all they have to do each year is more or less "copy and paste" the changes into the M-series for that year's M-series update, so it is not a lot of extra work to slap an updated chip in all the Macs each year. They are just snowed at the moment with all the major redesigns to all Macs. Once that settles, it will me smooth sailing.
Now all we need is the software division to get it's act together too...
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The second half of the year begins July 1 so it's entirely possible Apple launches the first M2 products in the summer, especially if they want to position them for back-to-school sales. Second half doesn't automatically mean fall.
I don't really see Apple introducing the M2 with the iPad Pro. The current iPP is already ridiculously overpowered for what it can do so they might keep that on an 18 month refresh cycle and not update it until September/October.