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5G can handle millions of devices per square mile.

LTE and WiFi both currently have problems at less than a thousand devices, and it's a real problem in high population density areas.
That might be useful if you were at a football game with 50,000 others all on their phones. I immediately though of the last 3 years worth of CES manufacturers pitching IoE for Appliances as more applicable rather then phone users. Do we really have examples of that many phones per square mile in the USA? :)
 
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So would anyone like to comment on why Samsung phone sales have dropped so precipitously?

The basic reason, I feel, is that their newer phones are designed to appeal to tech bloggers and spec enthusiasts, and are simply not resonating with the mass consumer. Gimmicks like folding phones are simply not catching on, and 5g hasn't proven to the "must-have upgrade" that would trigger a new wave of upgraders.

But yeah, let's continue to trumpet how innovative Samsung is and how Apple is falling behind because their iPhones don't have 100x zoom periscope cameras or 5g or folding capabilities.
 
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So would anyone like to comment on why Samsung phone sales have dropped so precipitously?

The basic reason, I feel, is that their newer phones are designed to appeal to tech bloggers and spec enthusiasts, and are simply not resonating with the mass consumer. Gimmicks like folding phones are simply not catching on, and 5g hasn't proven to the "must-have upgrade" that would trigger a new wave of upgraders.

But yeah, let's continue to trumpet how innovative Samsung is and how Apple is falling behind because their iPhones don't have 100x zoom periscope cameras or 5g or folding capabilities.
Lower-income Americans and South Koreans not buying phones during a pandemic, maybe. Since they sell budget phones.
 
I can't imagine buying a Huawei phone in the US at least. So many missing apps due to lack of google play services is a real problem. (I work as an app developer and porting things to work on a Huawei seems like a nightmare..).
 
Samsung makes phones using Chinese ODMs, similar to the way everyone else like Huawei, Apple, and Xiaomi does it.
Although there are some lower end models that are ODMed, Samsung makes majority of their phones themselves. They have their own actual factories in Vietnam, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and of course S Korea. They're different from the likes of Apple who don't actually have a factory.
 
iphones are taxed pretty heavily, i didn't get to witness this til i was in turkey earlier this year, an iphone 11, after conversion, is around 1100 usd, and when you look across the isle, where a huawei p30 or mate is literally half the price even after taxations.
Yeah. IPhone's announced pricing literally is only valid in the US. Everywhere else, the pricing is out of whack. In my country, the base iPhone 11 is at the same price of the Galaxy S20+.
 
The rest of the global marketplace is quickly deploying 5G. Apple is a technology leader. Why would they wait to adopt available and mature technology? Qualcomm is already preparing third-generation 5G modems.

Just because technology is slow to deploy in the U.S. doesn't mean Apple should wait. Can you imagine if Apple waited until today to launch Apple Pay? Just because contactless payment terminals are rare in the U.S. doesn't mean it's true for the rest of the world.
Imo the reason we're not seeing 5G in iPhones right away was due to the Intel deal and lawsuits with Qualcomm. When that's taken care of, I'm sure Apple already finished the 11 designs using Intel modem, so they couldn't just change it to Qualcomm mid way.

It's also why Apple quickly settled with Qualcomm despite seemingly fighting the lawsuits forever. They realized Intel could cut it and they needed 5G.
 
So would anyone like to comment on why Samsung phone sales have dropped so precipitously?

The basic reason, I feel, is that their newer phones are designed to appeal to tech bloggers and spec enthusiasts, and are simply not resonating with the mass consumer. Gimmicks like folding phones are simply not catching on, and 5g hasn't proven to the "must-have upgrade" that would trigger a new wave of upgraders.

But yeah, let's continue to trumpet how innovative Samsung is and how Apple is falling behind because their iPhones don't have 100x zoom periscope cameras or 5g or folding capabilities.
It because phones are no longer essential to have the latest model. If a phone is useful for several years by upgraded OS, it doesn’t make consumers rush out and replace it. It’s just what happens after a few years of competition, the marketed technology plateau’s. Seriously this occurring with iPhone sales also. Gimmicks no one is really interested. If the phone has worn out, that’s a reason to get it replaced. Most people don’t replace their iPad or laptop/desktop in the same way. So much of this industry is spent trying to convince you to constantly replace your phone, hey phone stores everywhere be scared. :p
 
Next phone is definitely gonna be a Huawei or a Xiaomi.

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So would anyone like to comment on why Samsung phone sales have dropped so precipitously?

The basic reason, I feel, is that their newer phones are designed to appeal to tech bloggers and spec enthusiasts, and are simply not resonating with the mass consumer. Gimmicks like folding phones are simply not catching on, and 5g hasn't proven to the "must-have upgrade" that would trigger a new wave of upgraders.

But yeah, let's continue to trumpet how innovative Samsung is and how Apple is falling behind because their iPhones don't have 100x zoom periscope cameras or 5g or folding capabilities.
Samsung sales dropped because the general smartphone market have matured. People are not upgrading phones as often, or buying phones. The pandemy made things worse as Samsung main sellers are their mid to low range phones. The fact that they're still number two while not doing great in China actually means Samsung is still doing a good job. Amongst Android OEMs, Samsung brand has an edge over the others.

As for Apple, overall they are on higher segments only, and those segments are less affected by things like the pandemy. And branding wise and desirability, Apple still has an edge above Samsung, and the fact they're number three knowing their segment means Apple did an even better job.

In short, in this pandemy, rich people will still buy phones, while middle class and lower are putting brakes on their purchases. Since Samsung covers all market segments, they're as affected as the other OEMs.
 
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As much as I hate the Chinese state policies and my tin-hat tells me that Huawei is a spy tool (Just like Google and FaceBook of course), but I am still glad to see a new competitor against the big 2-Samsung and Apple. Options are good and competition is good. I hate suffering under a monopolistic market like Google owning the only video site online and Facebook has the only image sharing app which is Instagram.

Also surprising that Xiaomi and Oppo sell as much phones as iPhones...I for sure don't see many of them out there, must be a huge market in China and east Asia.
 
As much as I hate the Chinese state policies and my tin-hat tells me that Huawei is a spy tool (Just like Google and FaceBook of course), but I am still glad to see a new competitor against the big 2-Samsung and Apple. Options are good and competition is good. I hate suffering under a monopolistic market like Google owning the only video site online and Facebook has the only image sharing app which is Instagram.

Also surprising that Xiaomi and Oppo sell as much phones as iPhones...I for sure don't see many of them out there, must be a huge market in China and east Asia.
Again, China is the most populated country in the world. They have almost 1.5billion people. You can be number one even if you are only serving the Chinese market.

Imo if all the BBK group brands are combined (Oppo, Vivo, Realme, OnePlus), they'll probably be number 2.
 
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Samsung makes phones using Chinese ODMs, similar to the way everyone else like Huawei, Apple, and Xiaomi does it.
Apple designs their own phones. I have no idea if Huawei, Samsung or Oppo sell ODM phones but Apple sure doesn’t.

It’s a great option if you want to sell a $50-100 smartphone though. Who wants to reinvent that wheel?
 
Although there are some lower end models that are ODMed, Samsung makes majority of their phones themselves. They have their own actual factories in Vietnam, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and of course S Korea. They're different from the likes of Apple who don't actually have a factory.
Whether a manufacturer assembles a phone in their own factory or uses a contract manufacturer like Foxconn/Pegatron/whoever isn’t necessarily all that relevant imo. You may or may not agree 🤔
 
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Apple designs their own phones. I have no idea if Huawei, Samsung or Oppo sell ODM phones but Apple sure doesn’t.

It’s a great option if you want to sell a $50-100 smartphone though. Who wants to reinvent that wheel?

Everybody gets help from ODMs designing their smartphone, including Apple. You can read about Apple considering reducing their upfront payment to ODMs for engineering costs in the article below.

 
Next phone is definitely gonna be a Huawei or a Xiaomi.
Good choice as I can vouch for Huawei. I own a now ruined Huawei Mate SE because I kept putting an aluminum case phone in my back pocket. Huawei makes utterly fantastic hardware. My Mate SE has the look and feel of an iPhone. It has insane audio quality and includes a built in FM Radio and I purchased it new for $200.

Now I have to find a replacement so I'm looking for a new phone.
 
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