No offense, but what "evidence" do you have other than Apple stating they don't? Regardless, we know you will defend them no matter anyway
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Apple Spending $2 Billion to Build Two New Data Centers in Europe
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Where I am right now the temperature is -13F. Global warming my you know what.
It's not global warming anymore because that is too easy to debate, it's climate change, which is basically any deviation can be attributed to climate change.
Used to be the next ice age is coming but that didn't pan out. Global warming could be debated, but now it's climate change and the DISCUSSION IS OVER, THE SCIENCE IS IN. The debate is over. That push right there shows me this isn't about seeking the truth but putting in place a system to wield power through regulation. For the kids and the planet of course. Any dissent will not be tolerated. Give up your land, private properties, we will gut your industries and destroy your American independence! A coordinated push to subordinate citizens to the environment movement.
That's what you think! Most of that 1.7 billion comes from shipping lots of sunlight to Ireland and Denmark. 100,000 sun lamps don't come cheap, you know!
Shows how little you know of the country.
It's the first country to go fully green by 2025 and not use a single drop of fossil fuel. Leading in wind power and other renewable energy know-how. They reuse the heat generated by their garbage facilities to heat all homes connected to the system.
It makes total sense that Apple would invest in a country that's so focused on green alternatives and world leading in the field, not to mention strategically connected to the backbone of the Internet.
The USA constitution was founded against what Europe stood for, so it's possible that Apple could be forced to give over user data, if not, the governments and banking systems will take it.
True. I don't know about Ireland but Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands are strong in wind power.
I think you took my post a liiiitle bit too seriously!
But it's great to hear about Denmark's efforts. It is actually pretty well known here for being very progressive in that regard. Certainly in regards to wind power, Denmark was well ahead of most countries in using it and Ireland - though very late to the party - is catching up quickly.
"Tackling climate change" by building large server farms.
"Leaving the world better than we found it" by selling 100's of millions of iPhones which will be discarded just after a few years.
"Green Industry growth", green and industry, there is a conflict right there.
"Our commitment to environmental responsibility is good for the planet" Yeah, right.
There is a fundamental debate whether a decline in the use of natural resources can ever be achieved in a free market economy. If you are of the position that it cannot than the only thing left to do is to restrain ones own personal use of natural resources. And choosing in that context to get digital content from Apple instead of Amazon is a fairly weak measure, simply not consuming any digital content would be the more honest one.
The point here is that Apple is responding to demand and technological progress, where of course they have contributed to technological progress (which in itself created demand which they further fanned by their marketing). Either you believe that through increasing the cost of natural resources, through technological progress and through personal choice the consumption of natural resources can be reduced globally, or you believe this is impossible without imposing a dictatorial regime.
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As it is the problem everywhere, people want simple solutions to complex problems, because complex solutions are hard and messy. Therefore it is either the apocalypse of massive environmental degradation or the stone age.
I'm with you on that. But there are mis-informed and delusional people on both sides of the climate change argument
The oturight deniers of climate change who are purposely ignoring dozens of years of scientific research (often using conspiracy thoeries to ignore that research) are just as bat**** crazy as the greenpeace tree huggers who think we should be living as hunter gatherers still.
There's a moderate middle. We should be doing everything within our own invidual powers to reduce, re-use and recycle. Even if you don't believe in Climate change, it makes absolutely no logical sense why you wouldn't do whatever you could to help reserve limited resources for the future.
Its a win/win situation if EVERYONE takes reasonable steps to 'clean up'. its a lose lose to continue operating ignoring what effects human behaviour has on the world around us.
Their higher rate of cloud cover and more northern latitude is more than made up for by being very windy locations. The west of Ireland has nothing but the Atlantic ocean in front of it and Denmark the North Sea. On a really windy day, Denmark already produces more electricity from wind power than its total electricity consumption (averaged over the year it is already more than 30%).
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As long as there a single scientist who disagrees, people will grasp onto that as an excuse for denying what they don't like. Works from climate change over vaccines to evolution.
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Great, EU headquarters, Huge Data Centre and still not one Apple Store in the whole country.
Come on lads, pretty please!
Come on lads, pretty please!
False.
Just over 97% of published climate researchers say humans are causing most global warming.
Source:- http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
The science is settled. There is a problem with some sections of the general public latching onto extremist views without educating themselves.
I had to point that out but please don't reply because you're not going to change your mind and I'm not going to read it.
Wiki huh? That totally settles it
Climate change has been happening for hundreds of millions of years..... or thousands for the 6000 year crowd....
If Apple's wasting (i mean spending) $2 billion for data centers in Europe, let the rest in on a bit huh ?
I'm still waiting for these faster speeds they keep promising when they get round to their CDN......
Unless hey haven't built it yet, then that's ok,, i'll let them off the hook, but if it supposed to speed up performance on Apple's services, they ain't workin'
Maybe Apple only said it would impact the U.S ?? *grins*, not international users, but Apple services are just as slow as they always were... I don't see any improvement.
I'm still waiting for these faster speeds they keep promising when they get round to their CDN......
Unless hey haven't built it yet, then that's ok,, i'll let them off the hook, but if it supposed to speed up performance on Apple's services, they ain't workin'
Maybe Apple only said it would impact the U.S ?? *grins*, not international users, but Apple services are just as slow as they always were... I don't see any improvement.
I think you missed the irreverence / sarcasm in whooleytoo's post.
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Got my new full electric car arriving next week - lets see how it gets on outside of a city in the Rural Kerry
Should be an interesting experiment anyway. If I break down or run out of juice on the way to Cork will ye pick me up
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They have to buy land, draw up plans, get them approved and pushed through by local governments. They have to lay down the infrastructure to supply it and to power it. Lay out infrastructure coming from it - telecommunications wise. They need to sort out road infrastructure too and fro. They need to lay down the renewable energy source (likely solar and wind powered) infrastructures.
They don't just hire a warehouse and throw a few old redundant mac pro's in there
Construction of the building itself, obtaining the building permits, purchasing (or leasing of) the land itself, obtaining the necessary computer and networking hardware (a single server can easily go beyond 10,000 USD), digging the necessary fibre infrastructure, setting up the server cooling system, etc etc.
