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I'm happy to pay my $20/mo to Tidal for lossless streaming. However, if literally anyone else offers lossless as an option, I'll jump. Tidal's catalog is missing too much, the curation (which used to be great and musically diverse) has gone to garbage post-Jay-Z, and there is still no fricking native client (and the Flash solution in Chrome is a real battery killer).

All that said, I don't see what any of this has to do with WWDC.

Didn't they just release new Windows and OSX beta apps? Yes they did. You can download them here:

http://tidal.com/us/download
 
Personally, I find proactively hunting for new music tedious: plowing through a bunch of rejects for an occasional yes.

It's not like I sit around for hours on end searching for songs one by one. ;) Recently, for example, I decided I wanted to discover more prog rock music so I started a new Panodra station, seeded it with Rush, Yes and Dream Theater and then hit the 'play' button. There's no way for me to do something so targeted (yet still primarily passive) with any form of radio. Sure, if I found a radio station that had a certain DJ at a certain time that mixed some prog rock into his set list I might hear a new song I like someday. Or I can just listen to my Prog Rock station on Pandora. There is still a waiting process (as you say, great music is hard to come in part because it's great) but it's a much shorter waiting process.

An interesting divergence of views might be observed here. Over in some other threads, "we" are whining to get rid of 185 channels "I never watch" because "I only want to pay for what I do like." We have all kinds of rationale why we don't want junk pushed upon us and we certainly don't want to pay for that junk. Then, over here in streaming music threads, we are dying for streaming radio so that we can have undiscovered music pushed upon us and we do want to pay for it. Since I know not all of that will be great, I find it interesting how the same pool of people can have such differing views of almost the same thing.

Interesting observation. I assume part of the divergence is in how we listen to music vs how we watch TV/movies. Songs are mostly short and don't require our full attention to listen to. On the other hand, watching to a TV show or movie is a much great commitment of our time and focus. I think that's one reason why typically short form entertainment (YT vids just a few minutes long) are so popular. Viewers can get in and get out quickly. Price has to play into it as well. If cable TV was as cheap as streaming music (or if streaming music was as expensive as cable TV) I'm sure people would be signing different tunes (pun intended).

In one of the other threads about TV I mentioned that since I went back to cable (I was a cord cutter the past 5 years) I'm not watching more TV but I am watching a greater variety of TV shows. With so much content being 'pushed' to me I'll channel surf into programming I never even heard of (or thought I would enjoy) and since it's already paid for I'll give it a shot.
 
I sound miserable? Im not the one posting how you are suffering from indignation. Maybe you mean indigestion

Yup.
I'm indignant at how artists made $1 per cd & the ladles took the lion share of the rest. When the MP3 revolution happened, they
 
I sound miserable? Im not the one posting how you are suffering from indignation. Maybe you mean indigestion

Yup. I'm indignant that artists used to make $1 per cd & after the mp3 revolution happened, they made sure they stayed in a position to profit WAY more
 
Holy crap, finally!

It looks like a good start, but unfortunately it forces my MBP into discrete graphics mode. At this point, I'm starting to consider if I should just downgrade to a MBP that doesn't have discrete graphics and just run a Mac Pro at home.

Not sure if you also have purchased music stored some place but you could also look at the Roon Labs player. It's not cheap but it seamlessly integrates tidal albums into your existing library. Very cool!

https://roonlabs.com

I'm running it right now and it's using the integrated GPU.
 
Labels always want a challenge, weather its a good one or not. Would this mean then not much on their new and "highly used" service.. ?

"Yes, u can use the service, but there is nothing worth listening to yet"
 
Nope, Canadian eh? Although my wife's insatiable appetite for Monty Don has made me somewhat of a reluctant anglophile, not that this is any more useful than a chocolate teapot.



That's the 'One more thing...' Oo! Maybe there'll be a, wait for it... new baaaaand! How could there not be? If they release a new type of clasp, it'll provide all the Apple podcasters with fodder until the iPhone event.

/yeesh. Yes, I think I *am* a wee bit too cynical this time around for my own good.


Canadian, huh? From the colonies, so a kind of honorary Englishman. ;)
 
I have to agree 100% I use to pay for a streaming service. I found that I wasn't constantly looking for and discovering new music. I know what I like, there are millions of songs I had access to with the service, how much of that did I listen to? Right now I have over 50 gb of music in my library. I think that is a significant amount,roughly 8000 songs. I found that the longer I was a streaming customer the less value I got in return. After two years, I had pretty much established what my library was, then every so often I would listen to something I didn't already have. Every time I paid that $10 I thought,that 7-15 more songs, depending if I bought whole album or a la carte songs that I could have had and would always have....forever. Able to put on cd or flash card or hard drive or mp3 player,or Iphone. Streaming.....for me.....especially the longer you pay,just doesn't seem worth it. Maybe its a generational thing.

Very well put.

I think streaming appeals to children and young people because they haven't heard much music and want to lap it up. Most of the music they've heard is probably bad. They're hungry for good music.

But when you've established a library, it's easy to browse iTunes and look for gems. Why waste twelve or twenty-four albums a year on music you can't keep?

Music feels like an endless pleasure to the young, but when one gets older, one becomes more discerning. That's why radio is good enough for most people's streaming needs. If you accept that most of the music that you hear from the radio or streaming you will not want to own, then paying for either radio or streaming becomes a questionable thing.

It's best to buy what you really like; with the usage of iTune's star system, one's music will be deeply rewarding. Listen to less music but of high quality.
 
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I hate the scumbag labels. They don't care one whit if artists get a dime... they want the maximum amount for doing the LEAST.
Why would Apple pay MORE than Spotify?? Because eventually they have the ability to eclipse Spotify in users and make the labels a boatload more?? So, to your potentially most lucrative partner ever.... may as well try to give them the WORST deals & terms? What clowns. I wish a model would arise destroying them. I'd love it. I'd literally drive to the welfare office to laugh in the face of all the unemployed music execs. They are the bottom feeding thieves that represent 100% of what people are talking about when they mention the "shady" part of the music industry.

Ummmm.... I'm sure the labels are somewhat to blame here but greedy artists are too. Taylor swift, Bouncy and Jimmy Z or whatever his name is are spoiled brat, whiners that apparently can't get by on the trillions they make now so they have to suck even more money out of users. Face it, this is a case of extremely rich people fighting over money with very, very rich people. %#^*+ all of them. Their music is terrible anyway.

Besides, YouTube and an MP3 converter do wonders for your music library. Hehehehehe :)
 
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Personally, I find proactively hunting for new music tedious: plowing through a bunch of rejects for an occasional yes. What seems to work better for me is reactive hunting, meaning I hear something on a commercial or in a show or movie, one of my friends or family suggests (or is playing) something (when I'm around), or I pick up a used copy of Now that What I call Music Volume XX and find a few goodies there.

I've built up a fair collection of owned music over the years. I've made multi-hundred song playlists of these faves and often fill my music-listening time by just shuffling those songs. I'd love to find lots of great new music on par with some of that but it's hard to find great new music IMO. Much of the new seems no so great IMO... not worthy of allocating a few MB on a hard drive to retain them. I don't see how this service or Spotify or Pandora will solve that problem, as I don't want to just put any of them on and listen through the bad for something good.

An interesting divergence of views might be observed here. Over in some other threads, "we" are whining to get rid of 185 channels "I never watch" because "I only want to pay for what I do like." We have all kinds of rationale why we don't want junk pushed upon us and we certainly don't want to pay for that junk. Then, over here in streaming music threads, we are dying for streaming radio so that we can have undiscovered music pushed upon us and we do want to pay for it. Since I know not all of that will be great, I find it interesting how the same pool of people can have such differing views of almost the same thing.

I haven't found a source of streaming or otherwise that only push great new music to me. Instead, it's a bunch of junk (IMO) to find an occasional good one... much like those 185 TV channels can be a bunch of junk but occasionally have something I might want to watch. Conceptually, a "top 40" channel is supposed to have the best new 40 songs available. I hardly ever hear one in such streams that I consider a "keeper." If my general tastes like that are representative of many, I don't think streaming "is the future" in terms of solving a problem of music sales or ongoing monetization of music. Instead, I think the answer is the harder solution of finding the next Beatles, Stones, Zep, et all and bringing them to market... lots of them if lots of them are out there waiting to be discovered, packaged and marketed.


Another excellent post.

You get to the heart of the matter. Most music written is bad. 'Twas ever thus. That's why history consigns most music to the bin. Streaming implies wading through acres of dross just to get to the one or two gems. Better to go by personal recommendation, radio or make your own.

Now I have a reasonably large library of music, I can listen to it again and again. Good music doesn't get old.
 
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Ummmm.... I'm sure the labels are somewhat to blame here but greedy artists are too. Taylor swift, Bouncy and Jimmy Z or whatever his name is are spoiled brat, whiners that apparently can't get by on the trillions they make now so they have to suck even more money out of users. Face it, this is a case of extremely rich people fighting over money with very, very rich people. %#^*+ all of them.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that people with power and influence (who could more easily just sit back with the "I got mine so screw the rest of you" attitude and count the checks rolling in) are taking a stand and trying to improve things for all musicians.
 
Don't get me wrong, but i don't wish Apple any luck with their streaming service. I like Spotify as it is and fear that Apple may have a huge impact on the market which will kill my streaming experience.
 
Don't get me wrong, but i don't wish Apple any luck with their streaming service. I like Spotify as it is and fear that Apple may have a huge impact on the market which will kill my streaming experience.

Apple will only be able to kill Spotify if it succeeds in creating a better service. If it does you would be better off with Apple. So what would be the issue?
 
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Apple will only be able to kill Spotify if it succeeds in creating a better service. If it does you would be better off with Apple. So I what would be the issue?

There is some lingering fear and conjecture that a "war" is looming between the music services that will result in extensive quantities of exclusive music releases.

TBH, I don't see that going much further than a handful of Pop music exclusives anyways, which I personally can mostly do without.
 
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Yes but it doesn't mean it'll fail without him. The worst area Apple is affected seems to be marketing/perception. They lost their top salesman. When Tim Cook announced a watch that could make phone calls - like something straight out of a scifi film - people scoffed "Yes, but it relies on the iPhone...". When Steve Jobs announced a phone that could actually make video calls, people said it was the future. They ignored that it, like Skype and other IMs, required Wi-Fi.

Also, Pixar carried on after Steve Jobs stopped being CEO. NeXT struggled with Steve Jobs as CEO. Steve Jobs being CEO is not a requirement for - nor does it guarantee a company - success.

It doesn't mean Apple will fail and let's hope it won't, but there're many issues right now and not only marketing. Bugs, unfinished software, poor Apple Watch launch, many top people left, features available only in U.S.

Regarding Apple Watch I see how it could be better under Steve. Not mentioning launch, the watch would be better designed. Since Steve passed Ive didn't create anything new. iPhone 6 was an ugly variation of a beautiful iPod touch design. Some Chinese and Nokia phones looks sexier now than the iPhone. Mac Pro... that's not actually a design at all. It's seen especially well in comparison to the previous Mac Pros. Watch use the same curved form of iPhone 6. And recently Ive declared he'll design furniture for new office, that means he's out of fresh ideas for product designs or tired and someone else will do it instead. Right now I think that maybe Steve himself made some rough drafts of new products as he saw it in his mind and Ive just finished and perfected them until Steve was happy. I think under him watch would look more like a thing from the future as the first iPhone was. As the first iMac was. It was cool, you wanted to own it. Also it would have better thought out interface. And under Steve Apple wouldn't move to this amateurish flat design. And better thought out feature set. And of course there would be no real gold options and would be standard adequate prices on bands.

If they'll add more sensors and make smart use of own Health Kit then it may be a bomb. If they won't mess it again. I think watch presentation and launch was so poorly messed up that most people are not even sure about what it really can do, including phone calls. No one clearly explained why someone would need it. They trew a lot of info out of which I mostly remember stupid smiles and Apple Pay. But Apple Pay will take years to be really usable at any location on a daily basis. And watch are available now. Calling and sensors are key features, but it lacks real sensors (hopefully yet) and calling as you said wasn't pushed enough. And design, it should have better, sexier design. As Steve said when they designed iMac or OS X: he wants it to look so that people want to lick it.

Pixar moves on because the same people who created Pixar's products - animation movies, are still there and keep creating. But even then in the end he sold it to Disney so it probably could end up in solid hands and not left on its own. In Apple and NeXT Steve was the guy who "created" products, who was the visionary, who decided what will be next and how it will look and feel and why people would need it. And NeXT had a great product although it struggled to sell it.
Now I see the opposite - design and quality of products slips although it still sells in huge quantities. But it won't last for long if nothing will change. Especially if they not only can't make good products but can't properly promote them.
 
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