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This is what people want. Implement wireless charging and put back 3.5mm audio in iPhone 8.
 
This is what people want. Implement wireless charging and put back 3.5mm audio in iPhone 8.
So far there is not a single wireless charging solution that is really satisfying, for a start devices become next to unusable when sitting on their charger (a wired charging phone I can hold and use). And I don't think there is any hope for the return of the 3.5 headphone jack, or even a floppy disk drive.
 
So far there is not a single wireless charging solution that is really satisfying, for a start devices become next to unusable when sitting on their charger (a wired charging phone I can hold and use).

You hold your phone all night and don't sleep? You're the exception since most find the convenience refreshing like not having to deal with wires in and out of the car.
 
What if they do come up with a charger that works similar to Qi, BUT can charge 2x or more faster than the fastest Qi chargers would you criticize them still? Why do they need to go with Qi? Now if they come up with the exact same thing, why would you want to get a different charger if they're already giving it to you in the package? It may be proprietary, but if they're already including the charger for you, what's to criticize?


I would be very angry if the only benefit to a proprietary system would be it would charge 2X as fast. You do know there are things like Cota Ossia who are working at wireless charging from 30 feet away.

And of course I would be mad at such an incremental benefit. Qi I came out 4 years ago? Best thing they could do in 4 years is twice as fast (in the hypothetical scenario)? That's horrid!

Cars are already coming with Qi, and so many other products such as furniture. Wouldn't they want to work with the standards and get it better? The only scenario Apple should go it alone if they have developed something that leap aheads the competition and the standard.

I would say if they did what you said in your scenario, they really did miss the opportunity to make life better through technology as Tim claims he wants to do. Instead he is holding back tech and breakthrough technologies so Apple can add more dollars to there coffers while giving their customers sub-par products. Maybe that's why IOs is losing so much market share to Android, and entry level wearables are taking over the smart wearables market, and the chinese market is drifting away.

I'm not saying they should adopt Qi, but if they have a tech that is only slightly better, then their R&D has failed. Better to go use Cota Ossia and really a transformative product.
 
You hold your phone all night and don't sleep? You're the exception since most find the convenience refreshing like not having to deal with wires in and out of the car.
When I sleep I put it on the dock, that takes me less than a second. And what you call wireless requires a wire, so what is your point? ........... Yep there is no point
 
When I sleep I put it on the dock, that takes me less than a second. And what you call wireless requires a wire, so what is your point? ........... Yep there is no point

Wireless charging is always easier and quicker especially at night when it's darker. Don't bother arguing when you're wrong.
 
Wireless charging is always easier and quicker especially at night when it's darker. Don't bother arguing when you're wrong.
How is it quicker? You are wrong yet again. It is interesting that your concept suggests that wireless (which in itself is not wireless) is faster charging when it is dark. Don't bother replying when you are wrong!
 
How is it quicker? You are wrong yet again. It is interesting that your concept suggests that wireless (which in itself is not wireless) is faster charging when it is dark. Don't bother replying when you are wrong!

are you buys actually battling if wireless charging such as Qi faster? It is, but it's just convenient but only an incrementally. It's still better than not having it.

My friend made me an amazing wood stand for the kitchen that has a Qi charging pad. It's so nice to drop my partners samsung on there while cooking. Shame Apple doesn't have that.

I do agree with apple that charging pads are only limited in functionality, and hopefully they have something in the works similar to Cota Ossia. i have lost so much faith in Apple though that they can pull anything off. So maybe Samsung will give us the next leap in wireless charging
 
Perfecting? It's an inductive charger. Apple isn't perfecting anything, they just realize that a segment of their user base will upgrade every iteration, so they're starting to dole out significant tech upgrades in smaller and smaller increments.
 
After thinking about it for a while, I think that having to rest the iPhone on a charging pad is negligibly different than having to plug it in. It's still stuck in that spot if you want it to charge.

I hope they are able to figure out a way to do it like WiTricity. You can have the power transmitter nearby, and as soon as the phone is in range, it begins to charge. I'd imagine the closer it is to the source, the faster it'll charge.

That would be the reason to implement wireless charging. Otherwise it's basically pointless. You can then just have a bunch of transmitters around your house and walk around while it charges.
 
Wireless charging is always easier and quicker especially at night when it's darker. Don't bother arguing when you're wrong.

Wireless charging is more convenient than a cable.
However, it will never be quicker.
There is a built in inefficiency of using coils to send and receive energy by wireless means.
The cable is the fasted way to charge a rechargeable battery.
Previous devices, e.g. RFID badges and Pet Chip IDs, did not use a battery or require operation for any extended lengths of time. They only needed a minimum power up time and operate for a few seconds to be useful.
However, wireless charging is convenient at the expense of efficiency.
I would bet these Apple wireless chargers would be better used with the Apple watch that has a smaller battery and less power hungry devices.
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I would be very angry if the only benefit to a proprietary system would be it would charge 2X as fast. You do know there are things like Cota Ossia who are working at wireless charging from 30 feet away.

From the Review:
The Cota "base station requires between 300 and 500 watts, it distributes as little as one watt of that stored energy over the course of a day."
Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/ossia-cota-wireless-charging/#ixzz4JzlzeueQ

This quote shows how inefficient wireless charging really is at a distance.
The efficiency is a function of the inverse square of the separation distance.
To get any sort of efficiency, the base and receiver need to be adjacent each other.

Otherwise, a cable is the most efficient and quickest way to charge a rechargeable battery.
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sure they are - you could even run an AM radio just by the power it receives from the antenna. see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxhole_radio

the differences are in the wavelength (and power).

A more modern example is the RFID badges people use for entry to secured buildings.
The badges have no battery but a coil to receive the RF energy and signal. They are powered up by electromagnetic waves (RF energy and signal) transmitted by a coil at the entry site of the building.
 
Not really, it lacks in the following areas (especially compared to the Note 7):
  • No iris scanner
  • No ability to use Apple pay with older systems that use swipe to pay.
  • No built-in ability to use Apps from sources other than the App store without Jailbreaking
  • No USB-C connection
  • No ability to accept an SD Card to expand the memory
  • No stylus
  • Water resistance in only IP-67 (Only the new iPhones) as compared to IP-68 (Several Samsung phones for a few years) or complete Waterproofing from Sony.
  • Cameras that aren't anywhere near as good as much of the competition.

The list can go on and on and on, but this gives some idea of where things are lacking in the iPhone. Apple needs to get back to innovating technologies, not just playing catch up.

You missed one thing the iPhone can't do like the note 7, keep you warm at night.
 
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Wireless charging is more convenient than a cable.
However, it will never be quicker.
There is a built in inefficiency of using coils to send and receive energy by wireless means.
The cable is the fasted way to charge a rechargeable battery.
Previous devices, e.g. RFID badges and Pet Chip IDs, did not use a battery or require operation for any extended lengths of time. They only needed a minimum power up time and operate for a few seconds to be useful.
However, wireless charging is convenient at the expense of efficiency.
I would bet these Apple wireless chargers would be better used with the Apple watch that has a smaller battery and less power hungry devices.
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From the Review:
The Cota "base station requires between 300 and 500 watts, it distributes as little as one watt of that stored energy over the course of a day."
Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/ossia-cota-wireless-charging/#ixzz4JzlzeueQ


I have some different stats on Cota. See below:

But that's not the point. The point is 4 years later and unless Apple's wireless charging is significantly better than QI, than it really shows it's not a leader in technology under Tim Cook. Anyways, it's all hypothetical at this point. I am excited for Wattup, Cota, Ubeam (if it actually works) or any other wireless charging standard. I agreed with Apple's critique that the benefits of Qi are minimal, but it's still better than nothing. And if they turn around and offer something similar to Qi, than I would be very disgusted with Apple for another flipflop.

Anyways, here is some more info on cota. I would like to see some independent testing though. Companies always exaggerate or pull can pull a VW. And hopefully it will be safe to use around kids.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise...promises-to-enable-the-internet-of-everything

Cota's transmitter uses about 8 watts to deliver 1 watt of power to a device. This is not end-to-end efficiency; Ossia says that including all the necessary conversions and computing and LEDs and stuff, a Cota transmitter will probably use a total of 60-70 watts to charge 4-5 devices remotely at 1 watt each. That 8:1 ratio is the significant one, though, because that's the measure of the efficiency of the wireless power delivery technique itself... Ossia points out that if you use its system to charge something like a AA battery, it would be orders of magnitude more efficient and cost effective than buying even a single disposable A
 
I would be very angry if the only benefit to a proprietary system would be it would charge 2X as fast. You do know there are things like Cota Ossia who are working at wireless charging from 30 feet away.

And of course I would be mad at such an incremental benefit. Qi I came out 4 years ago? Best thing they could do in 4 years is twice as fast (in the hypothetical scenario)? That's horrid!

Cars are already coming with Qi, and so many other products such as furniture. Wouldn't they want to work with the standards and get it better? The only scenario Apple should go it alone if they have developed something that leap aheads the competition and the standard.

I would say if they did what you said in your scenario, they really did miss the opportunity to make life better through technology as Tim claims he wants to do. Instead he is holding back tech and breakthrough technologies so Apple can add more dollars to there coffers while giving their customers sub-par products. Maybe that's why IOs is losing so much market share to Android, and entry level wearables are taking over the smart wearables market, and the chinese market is drifting away.

I'm not saying they should adopt Qi, but if they have a tech that is only slightly better, then their R&D has failed. Better to go use Cota Ossia and really a transformative product.

I was responding to only the poster talking about Qi. I did mention real wireless charging similar to Cota in a previous post. I am really hoping that Apple goes this route of charging a device just by simply being in the room and not having to place it down on a surface.
 
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I like what Apple did with the new AirPods and the wireless charging case. I'd like to see an option for something similar when Apple goes wireless charging on the iPhone. A wireless charging pad that has a battery built in and can be recharged via a Lightning connector just like the AirPod carry case.

If the charging pad could be kept very small and slim, maybe the size of an iPhone 6 Plus but a mm or two slimmer, it could probably recharge a 6/6s/7 at least twice and a Plus version of an iPhone at least once. I would find that quite convenient if going somewhere where I might be away from power for a while, it could act as a battery bank when I travel to give a bit of emergency power (well, quite a lot of emergency power actually) and still be my main wireless charging point at home.
You just described a charger case
 
The whole point of the iPhone 7 was to cop all the **** before the iPhone 8. That's the iPhone I'm waiting for.

I've said the same thing. They could probably have left the headphone jack in this model, but why surround next years full redesign with the controversy if it can be preempted in this way?

Apple have been very smart with this year's iPhone.

People are quick to jump and shout "Apple's doomed! No innovation, the phone looks like last years again!"

When really it's Apple deciding to take all the heat this year, on a phone that they're maybe not expecting to sell in the normal volume. Hopefully so that next years phone won't receive any of the same criticisms.
 
I'm really tired of fiddling with cables when I go to sleep. I also use Lifeproof, so if I wouldn't need to open the lid every day, it would be much more trustworthy. Also, most of the connectors are too big for Lifeproof. I also usually forget to reconnect the device, when I need to use it in the middle of charging.
 
2017 is the iPhone's 10 year anniversary. From the rumors Apple in planning something huge including a new design.

Yay, probably even slimmer iPhone with no ports at all. You either transfer data through iCloud or you don't transfer it at all and you'll end up buying those pucks for home, car, office, summer cottage and whatever else (and probably keeping a few in your bag just in case) but luckily they're only $150 each. I'm so looking forward to what they "innovate" next. Possibly a dongle that hooks up to a dongle that hooks up to a dongle! I'm disappointed if the puck doesn't have any dongles you can attach to it.
 
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