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A lot of companies spent money moving factories out of China into neighboring places like Vietnam, that's like going from the frying pan into the fire. India got a big discount though, still it's hefty.
The same cracked up intern at the White House worked out the Indian tariffs using the same formula he used for every other places. $45.7bn surplus, $87.4bn exports, 45.7/87.4 = 52% claimed tariffs charged
52%/2 =26% tariffs. There is no discount.
 
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Why is it so hard for people to understand that the whole point of enforcing reciprocal tariffs is so that EVERY COUNTRY WILL DROP TARIFFS TO THE USA.

If everyone stops tariffs then we all win.
Do you really believe Trump's goal is to eliminate tariffs?

His stated goal is manufacturing jobs in the US. You don't get that with free trade, because you can hire manufacturing workers in other countries cheaper. He's using tariffs to compensate for that. That's very simple to understand.

And it will work, at a high cost for everyone. Whether that is worth the benefit, you can debate. But don't pretend Trump wants free trade. That's inconsistent with everything he has done. Even Wall Street has gotten the memo.
 
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Luckily I don't have any immediate need for big ticket items, though I'm sure I'll be paying more for everyday items.
It will be interesting to see how much of the increase companies are willing to absorb in order to maintain expected sales numbers.
Hmmm... I have on the list for purchase in 2025:

M4 MacBook Air - I was going to wait until June for the Back-To-School sale for a gift card, but that seems less likely now. Maybe I should have picked up the 13" M2 16/256 GB on clearance when I had the chance.

iPad (A16) x 2 - For the kids, this fall. Will the prices stay the same 6 months from now?

iPhone 17 Pro Max - At release in the fall. It will be interesting to see how this will be priced.

I guess the good news is I don't live in the US.
 
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I trust this thread will not get political at all and will only have positive vibes
I'm actually surprised the discussion wasn't "moved to politics" as I've seen with other potential politically charged articles... but maybe I'm not getting that function/feature on MR right.
 
I guess the good news is I don't live in the US.
Some countries, especially the EU bloc are discussing that next to some good ol' American products (motorbikes, alcohol, corn, peanut butter), they want to levy reciprocal tariffs at the tech sector for American companies (think Goolge and Apple). Best way would be to pay attention to the news.
 
Whats about to happen for anyone who has some cash is a massive SALE on stocks!
Yeah right depending on what time horizon you're talking about... PE ratio of 35 is still historically high, the Buffet Indicator (Wilshire 5000 to GDP) is a 200% of GDP (way beyond the next 2 highs of 140% before the dot com crash and 100% before the '08 crisis. It's also why smart money like Buffet is in cash (and many of the wealthiest are slowly selling and stockpiling cash for the crash play).

But everytime the bros exclaim "this time it's different and you need to look at new metrics" (I guess they mean investor testosterone levels to PE ratios or the Tate Alpha Male Vibe Index)...

Issue is timing... we've been due a massive correction for over 5 years... around COVID would have been a proper time, but then artificial stimulus kept asset levels high... once yields starts slipping everyone heads for the exits to lock in what they can and sit on a stockpile until they can find good yields again... the issue is the higher it flies the further it falls.

APPL is in good shape as even if it "crashes" to a historic PE of around 20 that's not quite a 50% drop (still quite far). From there the fundementals will need to drive a higher number based on a rational growth thesis... or folks going back to being delusional about fairy tale growth stories (which is what we see with Tesla... whose stock is exposed to a 80-90% drop based on rational value analysis).

Tarrifs and a global trade war will simply accelerate this process... which in the short term is a disaster... in the long term great for Europe (which has been been sitting on is ass for decades and bickering internally), China (which had to get it's internal market more dynamic) and Asia (which needs to rebalance with China, which we're seeing from Japan, S. Korea and India)... the US will be the long term loser as the world will learn how to move on without it in pretty short order (much like Europe did with Russian gas after the Ukraine invasion... to everyone's surprise)
 
It’s not America first, it is billionaires first. Trump is building a tax haven for billionaires, paid for by the workers. Not only is he doing it out in the open, he’s yelling it from the rooftops. Yet the workers refuse to hear it.
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The big issue is that it’s all been done at once to practically everyone. When you do that what is the incentive for any company to change where they manufacture?

For example, if iPhones go up 25%-50% so do Samsung phones and Google phones as they are all assembled overseas.
Same with laptops. Same with pretty much all electronic goods in the USA.

So if your competitors all have the same tax (essentially that’s what it is, a tax on the consumer like a sales tax here). Then consumers will either pay more or buy less.

Any taxes raised from these tariffs the govt say will be used to reduce taxes is kind of obtuse. As the money used is consumers money here, not from company profits.

It’s perverse, they will be taxing the consumer and redistributing that money to pay for tax cuts is actually massive socialism no? What the right think is terrible.

At the end of the day, this is going to see inflation beyond anything Americans have experienced in the short term at least.

My feeling is that he may exempt some companies who “pledge” to move manufacturing within 5yrs or something (-mas it will take a long time). But if these companies are smart they will all hold firm because the US consumer has no choice. It can’t buy non tariffed equivalents for many things. So the very premise of this tariff stuff can’t actually work. You cannot buy an American built smart phone. So why tariff it?

The piece you’re missing is the retail price of an iPhone has nothing to do with the cost to manufacture it, including tariffs. The retail price of a product has everything to do with what the consumer is willing to pay.
 
The piece you’re missing is the retail price of an iPhone has nothing to do with the cost to manufacture it, including tariffs. The retail price of a product has everything to do with what the consumer is willing to pay.
It's both of course.
 
I'm skeptical of how serious Apple's efforts have been at setting up factories/supply chains in the US.

Musk is running several factories in the US between Starlink in Washington, Falcon in Hawthorne, Starship production in Texas, vehicle production in Fremont and Austin, battery packs in Nevada...

These span numerous industries where competitors insist that skilled laborers and tooling isn't available. I know lots of people who used to work at HP factories in the US and are now working at customer service desks because manufacturing jobs have largely disappeared from the US. What is Musk doing several times over that Apple can't do?

(I suspect the answer is compensate employees.)
The manufacture process seems complex but you teach people the skill specific to the one part of the task they complete. I agree, it could be done and used to be the case. Close to here used to be several places that made technology products common in stores but all left for other places.
 
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The current president is hellbent on stopping us from being the most generous nation on the planet. He would rather that we be an incredibly selfish nation, in his image.

Meanwhile, people are dying because he is making us selfish.

Do you support these avoidable deaths?

Oh, and why do you feel that we need to "save ourselves"?

Meanwhile, why do you want to spend lots more on your next iPhone. or iPad, or computer?
How is taking care of our own and solving our problems first selfish? I remember a fable about killing a golden goose. Where does wealth come from?
 
Hmmm... I have on the list for purchase in 2025:

M4 MacBook Air - I was going to wait until June for the Back-To-School sale for a gift card, but that seems less likely now. Maybe I should have picked up the 13" M2 16/256 GB on clearance when I had the chance.

iPad (A16) x 2 - For the kids, this fall. Will the prices stay the same 6 months from now?

iPhone 17 Pro Max - At release in the fall. It will be interesting to see how this will be priced.

I guess the good news is I don't live in the US.
I don’t live in the US either, but rather in Europe. Do you think Apple could pass the increased production costs also to consumers outside the US? Because, at the end of the day, the items are getting more expensive to manufacture in China and Taiwan, so… what do you think?
 
I've been losing a lot in my retirement 401K but I'm counting on one key thing to help turn it around in a short while. For once I'm actually counting on the saying that rich people control this country to be very true. Those people will be hurt bad by this and maybe, somehow they will influence the right people to turn this around. Fingers crossed.

The tariffs aren't exactly what was voted for... the vote is to encourage companies to invest in manufacturing in the US. Hopefully the tariffs do the trick, but it'll take many years to see whether they work or not. I fear a lot of companies will try to just weather the storm and wait for tariffs to be cut in 4 years instead of starting major investments now.
Trump has talked about tariffs for years and mentioned them extensively through the campaign (and I only saw the major news updates from here in the UK). What I haven't seen mentioned that much is that the Biden administration was also trying to reshore jobs and offered the carrot approach via things like the IRA and Chips acts. That seemed to be working too given the amount of companies that got public money to establish US maufacturing sites (including TSMC, who built the fab that now churns out A16 processors). Was it working well enough? Will Trump's stick method (combined with withrawing the carrot) work better? My opinion is maybe and no.

we are not responsible for the rest of the world. we are the most generous nation on the planet and need to save ourselves. time for America First.
Does America First have to involve cutting off all aid to the poorest people? I would hope that most Americas are more compassionate than that.
A lot of people don't really seem to understand why these systems have been in place since the 50s. Isolationism breeds conflict. Look at defence - there is a reason the US was so generous with providing security guarentees to it's allies: it was to prevent all these European & Asian nations heavily rearming themselves (especially with the advent of nucular weapons). When you have many nations fully armed up, a large & devestating conflict is much more likely (which whilst devasting for those directly involved in any conflict, would also tank stock markets and reduce global trade, so likely impact an isolationist US). Should NATO members provide more funding - probably, yes, but wavering on your commitment to protect allies is already fueling heavy proposals for defence spending in Europe...and it's not certain that they will chose to buy American weapons any more.

Likewise, dismantling tariff barriers and promoting more open trade prevented countries becoming isolationist and having crashed economies, which is one of the key factors that led to the rise of the Nazi party in Germany.

Why the hell would they do that worldwide? They're going to do that in the US only.

The tariffs imposed by Trump are only affecting US citizens, which are suddenly going to pay a lot more for the same products. Most people think the OTHER country will pay the tariffs, and this is a very wrong understanding.
Exactly my point and why they wouldn’t raise prices worldwide to offset the costs in to America.
Why would they want to?
There's a relationship between and sales and as the prices go up, sales go down.
I presume they know their market well enough to know what they will support so any increase in price would see a fall in sales.
I would say that raising prices worldwide is the likely option. My guess is that a $20-25 price increase on iPhones around the world will result in less lost sales overall than a $100-200 increase on US-sold iPhones.
 
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The piece you’re missing is the retail price of an iPhone has nothing to do with the cost to manufacture it, including tariffs. The retail price of a product has everything to do with what the consumer is willing to pay.
The piece you're missing, is that household income is fixed in the short term. You can't spend more money than you have. If everything gets more expensive because of taxation, you have to cut expenses.
 
I don’t live in the US either, but rather in Europe. Do you think Apple could pass the increased production costs also to consumers outside the US? Because, at the end of the day, the items are getting more expensive to manufacture in China and Taiwan, so… what do you think?
No idea unfortunately and I suspect I’m not alone.
 
Hmmm... I have on the list for purchase in 2025:

M4 MacBook Air - I was going to wait until June for the Back-To-School sale for a gift card, but that seems less likely now. Maybe I should have picked up the 13" M2 16/256 GB on clearance when I had the chance.

iPad (A16) x 2 - For the kids, this fall. Will the prices stay the same 6 months from now?

iPhone 17 Pro Max - At release in the fall. It will be interesting to see how this will be priced.

I guess the good news is I don't live in the US.
I just took delivery of my 14" M4 MBP last week, and got both my iPhone 16PM and iPad Mini 7 last November, so I'm able to hunker down for a bit and see what craziness, if any, this all brings. I hope you can get good prices on the items on your list.
 
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Are you referring to the Trumps


Despite President Donald Trump’s calls for American companies to manufacture their products in the U.S., shipments of his daughter’s branded, Chinese-made dresses have continued to land on U.S. shores since he took office, documents reviewed by NBC News show.

“We can’t continue to allow China to rape our country,” Trump told his cheering supporters last year on the campaign trail in Indiana. “There are no jobs because China has our jobs.”

Some of those jobs are apparently still filled by Chinese workers assembling dresses for a licensee of Ivanka Trump’s namesake clothing line.


Since Election Day, the apparel brand run by Trump’s daughter has imported 56 shipments of Ivanka Trump products from China and Singapore, part of a total of 215 shipments from Asia since Jan. 1, 2016.


and Trump supporters?


The Federal Trade Commission ordered apparel company Lions Not Sheep and its owner Sean Whalen to stop labeling its products with fake "Made in USA" tags and pay more than $200,000 in fines.

The big picture: Lions Not Sheep is known for its pro-gun and pro-Trump shirts, featuring phrases like "Let's Go Brandon," "Give Violence a Chance" and "Shall Not Be Infringed."

Driving the news: The company was replacing the "Made in China" tags on its clothes with phony "Made in USA" tags, according to the FTC.



The red “Make America Great Again” hat is one of the most iconic symbols of President Donald Trump's campaigns both in 2016 and in 2020.

And that hat, sold through Donald Trump's official campaign website, is made in America.

But that's definitely not the case for much of the Trump gear available at his sold out rallies.

MAGA hats, t-shirts, and then there's the slogans and phrases. If you head to a Trump rally, you literally walk through a sea of vendors, hawking goods that support President Trump.


The ABC News 4 crew walked around outside the rally in North Charleston Friday, lifting the tags on several items. Many read made in China, in the Dominican Republic, in Haiti and in Honduras but not in the USA.
I remember Trump making his own ties and clothes in China. One thing about Trump is he’s proud to take advantage of every opportunity given to him. But he also knows why the country’s middle class is gone. All the companies have shipped jobs and manufacturing overseas. Trump famously said in a debate with Clinton that he was smarter for not paying in taxes as he didn’t have to as the law said such. He’s fixing the broken system. Now, I completely disagree with most things socially that the policies are about, but for the economy and the future of the country, I truly believe he is doing what he believes will fix it. Look at Argentina’s president’s success by following the same playbook.
 
I'm skeptical of how serious Apple's efforts have been at setting up factories/supply chains in the US.

Musk is running several factories in the US between Starlink in Washington, Falcon in Hawthorne, Starship production in Texas, vehicle production in Fremont and Austin, battery packs in Nevada...

These span numerous industries where competitors insist that skilled laborers and tooling isn't available. I know lots of people who used to work at HP factories in the US and are now working at customer service desks because manufacturing jobs have largely disappeared from the US. What is Musk doing several times over that Apple can't do?

(I suspect the answer is compensate employees.)
There will at least a 5% increase in Tesla prices. (20% parts x 25% tariff). Worse for Apple.
 
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