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Apple Stock Price Hits Lowest Levels Since 2011, Falls Below $400

Liquorpuki said:
Didn't they miss it back in Jan?
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Nope, they did not. They missed ANALYSTS earnings. Which tells you more about the analysts than it does about the company. I've looked back for many quarters, and I haven't found a single one where they missed their own forecast.
 
cat3600 said:
If you look at the screenshots both Win 8 and Android look way better than iOS. As I have stated in a few of my posts how boring iOS has become, it looks like its stuck in 2007.

Had every version of iPone including 5, switched over to Nokia Lumia 920, it eats iPhone for lunch, interface is very smooth, the product is miles ahead, sure there are quirks and the App Store is catching up, but really do people even need more then say 10 important apps on a daily usage?? I WAS a total Apple person sadly they are extremely boring now!

People have to use other products to realize what the competition is doing, the camera on the Lumia 920 is the best available, I can see the screen clearly even in direct sunlight, extremely smooth interface, can use the phone with gloves on, very durable as well. Again my family only uses apple products, I for one like to try innovative new stuff.

I have stood in line on launch days for the iPad 1 & 2 was the first person amongst my friends to get one, it was a device I was exactly looking for and everyone was laughing what a flop it would be, look where this kind of device has taken off. But sadly the competition is offering so much more that unless Apple does something drastic and innovative even a die hard fan as me will not go back to their product.

I should not perhaps be using the word fan but I am an Engineer and fascinated by new technology and other companies including google and Microsoft are delivering more now!!
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And again this has nothing to do with the reasons I posted those photos, which was responding to someone who complained about the physical design of the iPhone looking the same the last 3 years. The physical design of the S3/4 and Note all look very similar, as does the N9/Lumias. If we're taking iOS vs Android and Windows Phone 8, didn't Tim Cook recently fire Scott Forstall, the guy responsible for iOS? Seems to me that shows Tim Cook realizes Apple was/is falling behind in that area and decided to do something about it. I'm actually looking forward to WWDC to see what changes are coming. I'm not expecting a massive overhaul all at once because there probably wasn't time to do it and Apple doesn't want to make the same mistake Microsoft did with Windows 8.
 
Rogifan said:
And again this has nothing to do with the reasons I posted those photos, which was responding to someone who complained about the physical design of the iPhone looking the same the last 3 years. The physical design of the S3/4 and Note all look very similar, as does the N9/Lumias. If we're taking iOS vs Android and Windows Phone 8, didn't Tim Cook recently fire Scott Forstall, the guy responsible for iOS? Seems to me that shows Tim Cook realizes Apple was/is falling behind in that area and decided to do something about it. I'm actually looking forward to WWDC to see what changes are coming. I'm not expecting a massive overhaul all at once because there probably wasn't time to do it and Apple doesn't want to make the same mistake Microsoft did with Windows 8.
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Microsoft didnt make any mistake, people just like to talk without even trying or they saw someone they think is "relevant" and just repeat the same crap.

Windows 8 is the best OS they have released,.
 
TheAppleFairy said:
The UI is terrible, I went back to Windows 7, and I have several friends and family that went back.

Windows 8 is the most annoying OS they have ever released. It should be for tablet only, not for a PC.
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I like Windows 8 too. To each is his own. I was getting bored of Windows 7. Plus a few colleagues I work with are fans of that too..

On a side now, will we ever see stock back to $660-700? I hope WWDC and this years product releases can atleast bring it back to $500-550 so I can sell dat shiet.
 
To say Windows 8 is better than Windows 7 because you got "Bored" of Windows 7 is what I don't understand.

Windows 7 works really well, and it's really easy to use. Currently I can't find a reason other than it's newer to say Windows 8 is better.

thedeejay said:
I like Windows 8 too. To each is his own. I was getting bored of Windows 7. Plus a few colleagues I work with are fans of that too..

On a side now, will we ever see stock back to $660-700? I hope WWDC and this years product releases can atleast bring it back to $500-550 so I can sell dat shiet.
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TheAppleFairy said:
To say Windows 8 is better than Windows 7 because you got "Bored" of Windows 7 is what I don't understand.

Windows 7 works really well, and it's really easy to use. Currently I can't find a reason other than it's newer to say Windows 8 is better.
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Windows 8 is better for a touch environment. That's because it has a UI mode designed for touch. If the apps you want can benefit from a touch interface and are available in this new mode, then Windows 8 is a great improvement.

Right now, that doesnt seem very common. It will take time to get traction, if it ever does. Where MS screwed up was by making the classic mode take a back seat to the touch mode. It's worse than windows 7 for classic apps. It's strange because it doesn't even seem like they had to do that. Why cripple classic mode?
 
TheAppleFairy said:
Windows 8... It should be for tablet only, not for a PC.
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iSee said:
Windows 8 is better for a touch environment. That's because it has a UI mode designed for touch. If the apps you want can benefit from a touch interface and are available in this new mode, then Windows 8 is a great improvement.

Right now, that doesnt seem very common. It will take time to get traction, if it ever does. Where MS screwed up was by making the classic mode take a back seat to the touch mode. It's worse than windows 7 for classic apps. It's strange because it doesn't even seem like they had to do that. Why cripple classic mode?
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I agree, I am hearing rumors that they will bring the Windows start button back in windows 8.1. I got my fingers crossed.
 
kas23 said:
You don't seem to have a good handle what goes into determining a stock's price. It is not solely profits or units sold. Most important is potential for future growth. Investors want to later sell their shares for more than they bought them, not the same price. Apple doesn't pay any meaningful dividends, so investors rely on capital gains from the stock price, which heavily rely on future growth.

For example, let's suppose AAPL is $400 per share. For the next 20 years, they make $10 billion profit per quarter. No less, no more. Those are profits most companies would kill for. But, does the stock price rise/grow? With no dividends being paid out, are investors likely to buy or sell? And how will this affect price?

As for "wall street estimates", I have no opinion on them and never made any assertions on them, so don't know why you brought them up.
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If that were a guarantee, present value would be $600 bil, and if people understood this, market price would hover around 600bil/outstanding shares. But this isn't a guarantee and a lot of people expect earnings to be lumpy. With all the uncertainty with COGS, revenue, competitive position, and pipeline, people would rather sell than buy. It could be oversold, who knows?
 
kas23 said:
You don't seem to have a good handle what goes into determining a stock's price. It is not solely profits or units sold. Most important is potential for future growth. Investors want to later sell their shares for more than they bought them, not the same price. Apple doesn't pay any meaningful dividends, so investors rely on capital gains from the stock price, which heavily rely on future growth.

For example, let's suppose AAPL is $400 per share. For the next 20 years, they make $10 billion profit per quarter. No less, no more. Those are profits most companies would kill for. But, does the stock price rise/grow? With no dividends being paid out, are investors likely to buy or sell? And how will this affect price?

As for "wall street estimates", I have no opinion on them and never made any assertions on them, so don't know why you brought them up.
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Apple making a $10 billion profit every quarter for the next 20 years?
Won't happen. It has had two quarters with net profits of more than $10 billion. Apple average profit per quarter in 2010 was $3.5 billion, $6.5 billion in 2011, and $8.7 billion in 2012.
 
greenmeanie said:
That is the funniest thing I read in a Long Time.
I guess you haven't read how Win 8 is killing the PC Market?
Google it.
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I also read somewhere that Cher's dead, obviously you can't believe everything you read.
 
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TheAppleFairy said:
The UI is terrible, I went back to Windows 7, and I have several friends and family that went back.

Windows 8 is the most annoying OS they have ever released. It should be for tablet only, not for a PC.
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You have never user windows 8 :)

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greenmeanie said:
That is the funniest thing I read in a Long Time.
I guess you haven't read how Win 8 is killing the PC Market?
Google it.
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Indeed it is, and the best part ? Its coming with all windows machines :eek:

Now if you are another parrot repeting everything you heard :) well goodluck.

Btw by your logic OS X its the most crappy os ever released ;)
 
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roxxette said:
You have never USED windows 8 :)
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Homie, don't call me a liar.

I used Windows 8 Beta for several months on my main computer, I then installed the final release on my home computer and one of my work computers.

If there is anyone that gave Windows 8 a fair shot it is me.

I went back to Windows 7 on my home PC, but still have windows 8 on a virtual machine that I use for testing at work.

I repair computers for a living and have used nearly all versions of Windows including windows 8 and a couple of different versions of Windows Server. Several versions of Linux and a little bit of OSX.
 
Do you get any perks for being an Apple shareholder? At $400 a shot i would hope so.
 
AaronEdwards said:
Apple making a $10 billion profit every quarter for the next 20 years?
Won't happen. It has had two quarters with net profits of more than $10 billion. Apple average profit per quarter in 2010 was $3.5 billion, $6.5 billion in 2011, and $8.7 billion in 2012.
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You missed my point. It was a completely hypothetical situation used as an example on why profits alone do not determine stock price.
 
AaronEdwards said:
Apple making a $10 billion profit every quarter for the next 20 years?
Won't happen. It has had two quarters with net profits of more than $10 billion. Apple average profit per quarter in 2010 was $3.5 billion, $6.5 billion in 2011, and $8.7 billion in 2012.
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and the profit growth stopped last year right about the time the stock price peaked
 
Rogifan said:
How much market cap was gained under Cook when AAPL got to $700/share? Stock is still higher than when Cook became CEO in 2011. Not by a lot. But it doesn't seem right to arbitrarily pick a date and count the drop in value since then.
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Why not? That is when the the major wave of post-Jobs products came out and the "new guy" grace period ended.

Plus, the article is right: when Cook opens his month, the stock drops.



Michael
 
Rogifan said:
Why do people keep spewing this BS? My god Apple went 6 YEARS between the iPod and iPhone. And then another 3 YEARS before the iPad came out. It was 3 YEARS between the iMac and iPod. It hasn't even been 2 years since Steve Jobs died. I'm curious to know what innovative new products Apple would have released in 2012 if Steve Jobs hadn't passed away. Care to list them?
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Not going to get hung up in the definition of innovative - but I think Steve would have rolled out some or most of these:

iTV
MacPro
iWork
iLife
CHINA MOBILE CONTRACT
iPad Mini retina
Streaming Radio
Aperture
Reliable Maps
 
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