dampfnudel
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I hope we get back to normal by this time next year. I would like to buy a SSD at a normal price and I don’t want Sony to delay the release of the PS6.
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Apple Stops Accepting Orders for Some Mac Mini and Mac Studio Models
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That's now how contracts work. The contract on the supply run might be up for the current models. Time for the new ones.
You'd want more memory to run good, local models - at least if you want to run other applications as well, e.g. the ones using the AI. I'd get at least 48 GB to run the better versions of Gemma4, which is a good, efficient, and recent one.
SpanishAppleNerd
macrumors 6502
What would you recommend? I am a researcher but not in a computing heavy area (economics). I do wanna use local models to help me with the job though. 48 GB?
At least 48 GB, but preferably 64 GB. Of course, more is better but Apple charged an arm and a leg for memory even before prices increased. It also depends on the configurations available, sometime one CPU configuration goes 24 - 48 - 96 GB while another goes 32 - 64 - 128
SpanishAppleNerd
macrumors 6502
The M4 Pro mini goes 24 48 64, 12 core cpu and 16 core gpu or 14 cpu 20 gpu. Suppose the M5 will be the same
Wedlock
macrumors member
All the other M series mac models like macbook's and the iMac (though there is only around a week delay in shipping for the higher end memory option) are not affected by shipping delays and that includes the new Macbook Pro/Air models with M5. Speculation on my part but i think Apple is slowly easing into the introduction for the M5 series models of the Mac Studio and Mac Mini. If it really was a memory problem more models would be affected than those two and yes there is a shortage and the prices are high. My guess is Apple won't wait until June to announce the M5 versions and is probably looking at May release which it has done before.
Good. I am in the market for a Mac mini. Will not buy the m4 pro but wait to pounce as soon as pre orders for the m5 open
Don’t think these will be coming back soon and might be available only when it gets updated to M5 maybe at WWDC or even October.
bradman83
macrumors 68000
This makes absolutely no sense as the M6 will likely be debuting around that same time. More likely is the Mini might skip the M5 entirely if it's not updated soon similar to how it skipped the M3.
That's not an either/or question.
I already posted the example of the "dot com" bubble - which was a major stock market upset, but the underlying tech went on to change the world.
The bubble, over-hyping and unsustainable levels of investment has nothing directly to do with the technology itself going away. If the bubble bursts, either a few big players will remain standing or new, more realistic companies making more realistic claims will pick up the tech.
I wish they’d release a new M5 Mac Mini now. The sooner the better 🙏. I need a computer, want a Mac Mini, and have the money saved to get it plus the mouse and a copy of Office Home today (I already have a keyboard). I don’t want to wait until the fall. I really need a machine, but don’t wanto to get an M4 when an M5 is imminent.
Gioser
macrumors newbie
It has nothing to do with this.
Apple Silicon M3 chips used LPDDR5-6400 memory, while the M4 moved to LPDDR5X-7500. More recently, Apple has stockpiled LPDDR5X-9600, which is designed to be used with the upcoming M5 series.
Given this, it doesn’t make sense to invest in devices based on older memory standards—especially when they’re still sold at inflated prices. It’s far more reasonable to wait and focus on the M5 lineup, which will support the latest generation of RAM that Apple is heavily investing in for both M5 and future M6 chips.
The same logic applies to the MacBook Neo with the A18 Pro. It currently uses LPDDR5X-7500, but considering its strong demand and the depletion of A18 Pro supply, it’s unlikely Apple would resume production of A18 Pro—especially without sufficient availability of LPDDR5X-7500 memory.
As a result, the only logical direction is to move toward a next-generation “Neo 2” with A19 Pro, which would adopt LPDDR5X-9600, just like the M5—memory that, as mentioned, Apple already has in large supply.
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shinseiromeo
macrumors 6502
I went back and forth on this a year ago. I did a BTO studio m4 max, base cpu and 36gb ram, upgrading just the nvme to 1tb for the better speeds and storage. I watched so many videos about upgrading to 64gb ram and the higher core cpu/gpu, though in my use case for photography, it was merely seconds of time savings for an extra $700 cost. Now if I was doing ai or 8k video, it would matter then.
Now with today’s fake prices on so many products (ram and HDs) I keep wondering should I have just upgraded it last year anyway. Oh well, no going back now.
Then this is a horrible way to handle it. You stop production for a supposed WWDC release in June? People who need a system now are going elsewhere. Apple continues to handle their pro markets horribly. Between how they botched the Mac Pro since 2013, and now this. At this point I am just going back to Windows.
People also don't understand if the bubble bursts, the big push from several CEOs are that they want us to start renting cloud hardware and we will own nothing.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
I did the same thing to make a lateral move to a MacBook Air.
For how I was using a mini, the technology allows for wonderful full-time docked experience while still Maintaining the flexibility of having a laptop on the go.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Hopefully folks can take advantage if they are holding onto inventory. I had a couple new SSDs that I bought for 80 bucks as extras and I sold them for 250 each…. Both were going into PS5’s.
kalsta
macrumors 68000
You actually seem to be agreeing with what I said in the part that you didn’t quote:
Am I misunderstanding your argument?
There's more to a "bubble" than some early investors failing. That happens with virtually every development and it's often the second mouse that gets the cheese. When something like the AI bubble happens it distorts the markets and disrupts other businesses. We're seeing this with the current RAM and SSD shortage/price rises which are already causing damage. It's really not going to help the AI industry if people can't afford the phones and computers needed to access their services! The gaming industry is being harmed by the lack/high price of GPUs and VRAM. Huge software development efforts are going in to AI features that customers are rejecting - some are starting to backpedal (https://www.xda-developers.com/microsofts-windows-11-copilot-purge-has-already-started/). Existing non-AI companies/products are being bought out for ridiculous prices because someone thinks they can be pivoted into subscription-based AI cash registers (see: Affinity Studio). AI products are being pushed out prematurely, failing and discrediting the tech (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5ggew08eyo).
When the bubble bursts (e.g. the dotcom bubble) it doesn't just remove the also-rans from that specific market - it causes a wider stock market crash and "colateral damage" that costs everybody.
You are trying to dismiss the existence of the AI bubble and the chaos it is already causing as just another case of there always being winners and losers in business. There is a lot more to the current AI bubble than that.
As of now, you can still do 24 and 48 GB configs, which means it's the 32 GB RAM package shortage... since 2x32 gives 64
Yes I know they are fused to the M4, but no they don't come out of the TSMC oven looking like that... it's a multi step process.
Yes I know they are fused to the M4, but no they don't come out of the TSMC oven looking like that... it's a multi step process.
RashyIsBack2
macrumors newbie
Heya, is there a ‚solid‘ middle-ground for something like roleplay or fanfiction/story chatbots? I agree that 24GB are pretty low, but going 128GB is costly. Are there solid models that would harmonize well with 48 or 64GB? I own a 32GB M1 Max and consider upgrading to a M5 Pro or Max soon. Thanks!
Wahlstrm
macrumors 6502a
I have the 24gb M4 and while you can load some decent models with 24gb you basically have no memory left to actually use them all that much.
Especially if you have anything else running at the same time.
So you’re basically stuck with asking a good model short/simple questions or a not so good model complex questions.
I would recommend you look at minimum 32GB if running local LLM’s is a real priority.