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I got to use MagSafe for a couple weeks when I was testing between the 2015 and the 2017 MBP and I think the MagSafe was a brilliant idea and liked the light to let you know charging was complete. I settled on the 2017 thought because the display and sound speakers were just so much better. I almost want to buy the 2015 just because it’s a classic laptop with great useable features like MagSafe and extra ports USB too.
 
This is Thunderbolt 2

If you have USB-C ports and the system supports thunderbolt, you have Thunderbolt 3. Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C connector (vs the mini-DisplayPort connector on Apple computers for Thunderbolt 2).

The advantages of Thunderbolt 3 are that it has twice the bandwidth and can support supplying up to 100W to a device. So a TB3 monitor can both charge your laptop and supply screen, sound, and peripheral connectivity (although at this point TB3 monitors are costly because of poor PC support and the focus on achieving profit margins in the gamer demographic)
Lovely, thanks.
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20 Gb/s is Thunderbolt 2, found on the Late 2013 - Mid 2015 models. Earlier models have Thunderbolt 1, while the 2016+ models have Thunderbolt 3 through a USB Type-C port (an adapter is needed to use Thunderbolt 1 and 2 devices).
Merci.
 
...you can’t upgrade the RAM in a Surface Pro for example and though you can technically upgrade the SSD it’s apparently a mess of glued together pieces back there. In the end, if user upgradeable parts are important enough to us, we have to shop elsewhere :(

Agreed. Thinness vs upgradability is a pretty widespread problem. I've been seriously entertaining a Dell XPS 15 Hackintosh lately... I just know it will never be all smooth sailing with Hackintosh (having built several in the past).

...I’m pretty much set on getting a 2018 when the first refurbs with 32Gb hit the store.

Very good point—I'll likely be looking more seriously when refurbs start appearing. Mind you, at the moment I can also do the educational discount, so that's always an option (I should price that out, just to see the damage).

[EDIT: Okay, I'm afraid I'll have to start complaining again, because it looks like they no longer have a proper educational discount system—just throwing in a s***ty pair of Beats headphones and giving discounts on Apple Care and accessories. Painful, Apple... just painful... ]
 
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2018 for the majority of computer buyers (eg the 90 percent of the world who aren;t buying Macs) looks a lot like the 2015 MacBook Pro then the 2018 ones.
Yeah, I wouldn’t give up my MBP 2017 for any PC laptop. Best running windows laptop I’ve ever owned.
Maybe if more of the industry had more peripherals for USB-C and TB3 mor people would experience the simple one connector for all.
[doublepost=1531534818][/doublepost]The keyboard is much improved.
 
The touch pad is useless and I hate the trackpad. My current MacBook will probably be my last unless there is a compelling design change. Would also not mind having the lighted apple back.
 
Discontinued it without anything to take its price Point, too o_O hopefully Apple are just realigning the ‘pro’ moniker to high performance computers and they will come up with a 15” consumer MacBook at some point. Or at least I can dream...
Unfortunately seems Apple is moving everything upmarket. But maybe...
 
'Apple Inc.'s iMac was the first mainstream product with USB and the iMac's success popularized USB itself.[12]Following Apple's design decision to remove all legacy ports from the iMac, many PC manufacturers began building legacy-free PCs, which led to the broader PC market using USB as a standard.[13][14][15]'

'The marketing and sales success of the iMac G3 contributed to Apple's turnaround from financial ruin in the late 1990s and revitalized the Apple brand as design-oriented and simple. It was, nevertheless, criticized for abandoning then-current technological standards like the floppy drive and the Apple Desktop Bus connector in favor of the emerging USB standard.'


In case somebody is posting about the ports.
 
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