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Apple Stops Signing iOS 9.0.2, Downgrading From iOS 9.1 No Longer Possible

Aston441 said:
What's left besides

Torrents
Theming
Tethering

That people still bother to jailbreak for?

Apple pretty much sucked up and baked into iOS everything useful already I thought?
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I Jailbreak to hide the app icon labels and the dock. I can't really imagine apple making the dock optional, so I will probably always need a jailbreak. Oh, and iFile. I like to have access to the file system. Just the fact that I can open a file browser makes the phone feel more powerful. It almost feels like its running Mac OS.
 
Shirasaki said:
Always like that.

Totally cannot understand why they allow users to do Internet recovery to downgrade to older version of Mac OS X while prohibit users to do the same on iOS.
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Probably because OSX started out as a true operating system, which came after Mac OS, another true operating system. It also needs to compete against Windows and Linux, so they need to keep OSX 'open'. They can't suddenly go back on that and start imposing artificial limitations on it, or else they'll start losing OSX users.

iOS is pretty new, and iPhones and iPads aren't actually computer replacements. So Apple can get away with a lot more. They don't actually want you to treat iPads as proper computers, since they're so consumption-based. So by consequence, iOS isn't a true operating system. Compare the iPad to the Surface Pro, which is actually marketed as a laptop replacement, so it runs a true operating system.
 
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Pakaku said:
Probably because OSX started out as a true operating system, which came after Mac OS, another true operating system. It also needs to compete against Windows and Linux, so they need to keep OSX 'open'. They can't suddenly go back on that and start imposing artificial limitations on it, or else they'll start losing OSX users.

iOS is pretty new, and iPhones and iPads aren't actually computer replacements. So Apple can get away with a lot more. They don't actually want you to treat iPads as proper computers, since they're so consumption-based. So by consequence, iOS isn't a true operating system. Compare the iPad to the Surface Pro, which is actually marketed as a laptop replacement, so it runs a true operating system.
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Uh, yeah. This is a very good point.

However, given the fact that old iOS can run better on old devices...sorry but I cannot find words.
 
Shirasaki said:
Uh, yeah. This is a very good point.

However, given the fact that old iOS can run better on old devices...sorry but I cannot find words.
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I honestly think Apple just puts limits on their iOS devices just because they can. And probably to combat jailbreaking. I really can't think of any other way they can "justify" their decision.
 
Pakaku said:
I honestly think Apple just puts limits on their iOS devices just because they can. And probably to combat jailbreaking. I really can't think of any other way they can "justify" their decision.
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Combating jailbreaking by updating software? They know users can retain to the version they like indefinitely as long as their iOS runs normally. And other than updating software, they can implement new hardware to make jailbreaking much harder. You know that Touch ID must be turned off before jailbreaking, right?
 
Why would somebody even want to use slower, buggier and less stable version 9.0.2 over clearly better 9.1?

Jailbreakers yeah? Who even does that anymore?
 
Pakaku said:
Probably because OSX started out as a true operating system, which came after Mac OS, another true operating system. It also needs to compete against Windows and Linux, so they need to keep OSX 'open'. They can't suddenly go back on that and start imposing artificial limitations on it, or else they'll start losing OSX users.

iOS is pretty new, and iPhones and iPads aren't actually computer replacements. So Apple can get away with a lot more. They don't actually want you to treat iPads as proper computers, since they're so consumption-based. So by consequence, iOS isn't a true operating system. Compare the iPad to the Surface Pro, which is actually marketed as a laptop replacement, so it runs a true operating system.
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What on earth is a "true operating system"?

Also - http://www.apple.com/uk/apple-pencil/ - sounds like they are marketing this iOS accessory for creation.

Sounds like you've just got no use for creation on an iPad which is fine. But downplaying it is silly, I do 90%+ of my home computing on my iPad now. The only regular task I break the MacBook out for is managing my photo library which I prefer to do with a pointer based OS vs a touch one.
 
Aston441 said:
What's left besides

Torrents
Theming
Tethering

That people still bother to jailbreak for?

Apple pretty much sucked up and baked into iOS everything useful already I thought?
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F.lux and color temperature control of the LED backlighting. Never mind impacting sleep, it significantly reduces eye strain to have this flexible. Also I had unlimited data until recently on Verizon. Limiting what files I could download and forcing me to connect to wifi diluted the usefulness. Now that I'm on T-Mobile I still wish I had the right to watch my iTunes movies and download files over 100 MB should I choose to do so. Apple says: no.
 
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Skylitfly said:
Why would somebody even want to use slower, buggier and less stable version 9.0.2 over clearly better 9.1?

Jailbreakers yeah? Who even does that anymore?
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The fact that I can have NFL game day in the US for live games is huge.
 
Shirasaki said:
Combating jailbreaking by updating software? They know users can retain to the version they like indefinitely as long as their iOS runs normally. And other than updating software, they can implement new hardware to make jailbreaking much harder. You know that Touch ID must be turned off before jailbreaking, right?
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You know that TouchID must be turned off to restore iOS normally, right?

What are you trying to say? Did you not bother to turn it on again afterwards?
 
Keane16 said:
What on earth is a "true operating system"?

Also - http://www.apple.com/uk/apple-pencil/ - sounds like they are marketing this iOS accessory for creation.

Sounds like you've just got no use for creation on an iPad which is fine. But downplaying it is silly, I do 90%+ of my home computing on my iPad now. The only regular task I break the MacBook out for is managing my photo library which I prefer to do with a pointer based OS vs a touch one.
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True operating system = I can do pretty much whatever I want with it, without the devs dictating anything.

On OSX I can install many apps and plugins to do more than what Apple intended with the stock OSX. On iOS, I'd have to Jailbreak to even begin contemplating modifying anything beyond what Apple allows, and Apple is very quick on patching the hooks that jailbreaking apps use.

I really do want an iPad Pro, as an artist myself. But it comes with the catch that, well, it has to run iOS.
 
Pakaku said:
True operating system = I can do pretty much whatever I want with it, without the devs dictating anything.

On OSX I can install many apps and plugins to do more than what Apple intended with the stock OSX. On iOS, I'd have to Jailbreak to even begin contemplating modifying anything beyond what Apple allows, and Apple is very quick on patching the hooks that jailbreaking apps use.
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Ah ok. iOS 9's side loading should help those that want to add some apps that break App Store rules. I've got GammaThingy and the whole process to get things onto your phone is easy enough.

Also it's a good sign that Apple Patches the security vulnerabilities quickly. That's good work on their part.

Pakaku said:
I really do want an iPad Pro, as an artist myself. But it comes with the catch that, well, it has to run iOS.
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Im not an artist. But would love the same tech in an Air or mini sized device. Add in apps with good quality OCR and it becomes a true paper notebook replacement. At the moment I carry around a paper notebook and then transcribe my notes into OneNote (because carrying around my ThinkPad at work is too cumbersome). I'm hoping in about 12 months the iPad Air 3 plus Pencil makes that a thing of the past, with everything kept in sync over the cloud. So when I return from a meeting my handwritten notes taken on the iPad are already on my desktop machine neatly typed up.

The fact it runs iOS doesn't really affect me. As long as the apps start to see more complex features added, getting closer to their desktop counterparts.
 
Pakaku said:
True operating system = I can do pretty much whatever I want with it, without the devs dictating anything.

On OSX I can install many apps and plugins to do more than what Apple intended with the stock OSX. On iOS, I'd have to Jailbreak to even begin contemplating modifying anything beyond what Apple allows, and Apple is very quick on patching the hooks that jailbreaking apps use.
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Ah ok. iOS 9's side loading should help those that want to add some apps that break App Store rules. I've got GammaThingy and the whole process to get things onto your phone is easy enough.

Also it's a good sign that Apple Patches the security vulnerabilities quickly. That's good work on their part.

Pakaku said:
I really do want an iPad Pro, as an artist myself. But it comes with the catch that, well, it has to run iOS.
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Im not an artist. But would love the same tech in an Air or mini sized device. Add in apps with good quality OCR and it becomes a true paper notebook replacement. At the moment I carry around a paper notebook and then transcribe my notes into OneNote (because carrying around my ThinkPad at work is too cumbersome). I'm hoping in about 12 months the iPad Air 3 plus Pencil makes that a thing of the past, with everything kept in sync over the cloud. So when I return from a meeting my handwritten notes taken on the iPad are already on my desktop machine neatly typed up.

The fact it runs iOS doesn't really affect me. As long as the apps start to see more complex features added, getting closer to their desktop counterparts.
 
Aston441 said:
What's left besides

Torrents
Theming
Tethering

That people still bother to jailbreak for?

Apple pretty much sucked up and baked into iOS everything useful already I thought?
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CCSettings
Five Icon Dock
SwipeSelection
Flux
iFile
Rubik

did I say CCSettings!? :)

I condemn all kinds of theft, but JB can also be a solution if you find an app way too overpriced..
 
Applications that provide functionality that Apple deems unnecessary.
You can't replace the texting/SMS app. I like Handcent from Android and the only way to get it on iOS is to jailbreak.
Apple decides what you can run or not.
Umm, it is MY hardware.
 
techwhiz said:
Applications that provide functionality that Apple deems unnecessary.
You can't replace the texting/SMS app. I like Handcent from Android and the only way to get it on iOS is to jailbreak.
Apple decides what you can run or not.
Umm, it is MY hardware.
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That's what you get with iOS, nothing new there.
 
Pakaku said:
Probably because OSX started out as a true operating system, which came after Mac OS, another true operating system. It also needs to compete against Windows and Linux, so they need to keep OSX 'open'. They can't suddenly go back on that and start imposing artificial limitations on it, or else they'll start losing OSX users.

iOS is pretty new, and iPhones and iPads aren't actually computer replacements. So Apple can get away with a lot more. They don't actually want you to treat iPads as proper computers, since they're so consumption-based. So by consequence, iOS isn't a true operating system. Compare the iPad to the Surface Pro, which is actually marketed as a laptop replacement, so it runs a true operating system.
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"iOS isn't a true operating system"

How do you define an operating system then?
 
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