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I'm actually kind of surprised that they're closing with sports betting coming to town. Having a shop like this where you can pick up a tablet, laptop, or get your equipment checked out would seem like a good spot to be in.

Granted depending on what the lease renewal costs it could be prohibitive to gamble on the future there.

Right but it's not just coming to AC it's going to be in any state that wants it including online. NJ has a short advantage since it's been planning for this day, but for a long view operation like Apple its analysis seems to have shown that wouldn't be enough. Once state legislatures, likely in conjunction with the pro leagues, get up to speed AC and LV will not have any advantage in the sports book market. But LV has long hedged it's bets there and doesn't rely on gambling tourism nearly as much as it once did. Plus LV is an Int'l destination. AC has a long, long, long way to get to that point.

I would bet Apple isn't concerned with "prohibitive" leases. They probably get favorable terms since it's a magnet with most of the fees paid to landlords a % of sales.
 
AFAIK, Apple refuses to pay %-age of sales style rents.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not up and all on Apple's lease agreements. If that's true then just a different expression of how Apple gets the lease agreement that it wants because it's such a magnet.
 
Jony Ive was said to have told Ahrendts, "Don't mess with the tables."

The failing store in this photo seems to consist of just the tables, almost empty of any products to sell.
 
Even after all these years you can still find a great rum ham in AC if you know where to look.
 
I’m not surprised. I was there earlier this month and thought to myself Apple must be losing a lot of money on this store. The place is dead in the winter and a lot of the people who come into the store in the warmer months are mostly browsing. AC isn’t Vegas where the Apple Stores aren’t just often packed, but also doing a lot of business with the tons of tourists, including a lot of well-off international tourists/high-rollers/business people. When I was in Vegas, both Apple Stores I visited on the strip were packed with people buying stuff, in November. I doubt that the second coming of Revel or the Hard Rock Casino/Resort (former Trump Taj Mahal) will work out too well, especially once the temps cool down by October. AC is definitely the place to go if you’re studying socioeconomic urban decay. I used to go more often, but now it’s once a year at most. I have a friend who works at the casino and he’s transferring to Vegas later this year.
 
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That AC mall is currently dying a slow death. I can't imagine them staying around long-term anyway.
 
Right but it's not just coming to AC it's going to be in any state that wants it including online. NJ has a short advantage since it's been planning for this day, but for a long view operation like Apple its analysis seems to have shown that wouldn't be enough. Once state legislatures, likely in conjunction with the pro leagues, get up to speed AC and LV will not have any advantage in the sports book market. But LV has long hedged it's bets there and doesn't rely on gambling tourism nearly as much as it once did. Plus LV is an Int'l destination. AC has a long, long, long way to get to that point.

Agreed.

Bringing sports gambling to NJ (there's been talk all along of a northern NJ location as well as AC) is not going to save AC, any more than bringing casinos to AC saved that city long-term. Still, I shudder to think what AC would be like today without the casinos. The problem is not whether the casino "experiment" was successful (it was, for a while), but whether it could be a long-term fix.

AC can't get to LV's position. There's little there that's unique enough to make it a national or international destination. Air travel essentially killed AC as a major resort destination for the Northeast. Why go to AC by car or rail when Miami was just an hour farther away by air?

I remember when NJ voters approved casino gaming. The only competition at the time was LV. However, it didn't take other states long to jump on the casino bandwagon - NJ basically proved to other states that the voters will say Yes. NJ's projections of recovery for the city were based on being the Eastern US's only gambling destination. More states piled in, then Native Americans finally found a way to make money from the invaders, spurring more states to approve gaming....

The LV we see today, with its over-the-top architecture, was driven by a need to rise above the new competition, built on the Orlando, FL model. There's just one Orlando, and one Las Vegas. Everything else is second-class, no matter how grand the individual casino resorts may be. The problem is in locating more than a handful of casino resorts in any one place. It's likely to stay that way - the market is too saturated.

Back to Apple... There's actually a fair amount of money in the area. The trouble is that none of it lives in AC proper. People who own or rent homes on the mainland or in neighboring beach communities don't go to AC to shop (or much of anything else, other than dine and gamble), and much of that monied population is seasonal. People who visit from the Philadelphia area, NY City, and Northern NJ are already well-served by Apple Stores. It's just a tough location, and I wish the folks who worked there well.
 
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I'm not familiar with area. Isn't AC expecting an uptick in tourism with the recent change to gambling law?


Not really. In the 1980s Atlantic City thrived on the fact that the biggest city in the U.S. was a 2 hour drive(NYC) and the 4th biggest city was a 1 hour drive(Philadelphia). Now that there are other casino options Atlantic City went bust. A sports book isn't gonna take that away.

Heres the thing, Atlantic City could still be a very happening place but the problem is it's an utter dump and has the biggest ghetto on the NJ coast. If it was a clean resort with money tourism was actually be very good there.
 
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Not really. In the 1980s Atlantic City thrived on the fact that the biggest city in the U.S. was a 2 hour drive(NYC) and the 4th biggest city was a 1 hour drive(Philadelphia). Now that there are other casino options Atlantic City went bust. A sports book isn't gonna take that away.

Heres the thing, Atlantic City could still be a very happening place but the problem is it's an utter dump and has the biggest ghetto on the NJ coast. If it was a clean resort with money tourism was actually be very good there.
That sounds terrible. A sports book ain't gonna help that.
 
Honestly the city has been on a downturn for a while. The last time I was there, The Pier Shops (the mall that the store is in) had practically no stores in it anymore. They even turned the end of the pier into some kind of bar/nightclub in an attempt to attract customers, but you can't really attract customers that don't exist.

Kind of surprised the store is still there, it wasn't really ever as busy as other Apple Stores I've gone to, considering the only way to get to it is to pay to park at a casino for $10-$20 or walk a relatively long distance on the boardwalk and protect whatever product you bought on you way back.

Apparently there is supposed to be an upturn in tourism this year, but I've heard stuff about that for years, so we'll see.

Edit> Even the Starbucks in the mall closed.
 
From your description, it appears the Atlantic City town fathers are hoping that location scouts for the next DC universe film will discover it.

Location scout: "What do you think?"
Zack Snyder: "Its perfect - we won't have to change a thing!"
Location: "Right??!!"

Or, they could have used it for a post-apocalyptic Blade Runner 2049 set! Although, it would have looked more depressing than the Las Vegas wasteland they used in the film. I've had to go to AC many times for business (government - don't ask), most recently last week. Filthy, disgusting place.
 
Back to Apple... There's actually a fair amount of money in the area. The trouble is that none of it lives in AC proper. People who own or rent homes on the mainland or in neighboring beach communities don't go to AC to shop (or much of anything else, other than dine and gamble), and much of that monied population is seasonal. People who visit from the Philadelphia area, NY City, and Northern NJ are already well-served by Apple Stores. It's just a tough location, and I wish the folks who worked there well.

This! The mall that store is located in is not in a residential area. There are several other malls in the area that are, and that’s where Apple should put a store. In Orlando, there’s no Apple store in either Downtown Disney or Universal City Walk. Instead, the Apple store in that area is I think at the Millennium Mall in a much more residential area.
 
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I'm actually kind of surprised that they're closing with sports betting coming to town. Having a shop like this where you can pick up a tablet, laptop, or get your equipment checked out would seem like a good spot to be in.

Granted depending on what the lease renewal costs it could be prohibitive to gamble on the future there.

You’d think lease would be dirt cheap if things are that dire. Mght not be enough if traffic is nonexistent. Sounds like even Apple fans weren’t visiting the store, not a good indicator.

I was hoping this was the first proof that spiralling prices were driving away customers. See how it develops.

Watch for other store closures. Ive noticed my closest store down on numbers. Still healthy, but if it’s a trend - maybe the public has woken up to Apple’s disinterest in anythung but iphone once a year. Computers without touch screens will not bring joe public in, now that touch is so commonplace.
 
AC has gone downhill a lot. I'm not as old as some here so maybe I don't remember the "Hay days" but I remember AC being a nice place to go to from 2000 to 2007. I went back there for work maybe around 2014? and it felt like a shell of what it used to be. A lot of casino's closed or right on the verge of closing, and the streets were "depressing" to say the least. I hope it gets some of it's shine back but maybe doing it the right way this time, whatever that is.
 
People who visit from the Philadelphia area, NY City, and Northern NJ are already well-served by Apple Stores.

Exactly! Up where I live we have an Apple Store like 15-20min away, so there isn't really much of a reason for me to go to the Apple Store while I'm down there, unless its for an emergency such as me forgetting to pack my MacBook's power adapter and I'm planning on being in the area for a week. Not necessarily a big sale.

This! The mall that store is located in is not in a residential area. There are several other malls in the area that are, and that’s where Apple should put a store. In Orlando, there’s no Apple store in either Downtown Disney or Universal City Walk. Instead, the Apple store in that area is I think at the Millennium Mall in a much more residential area.

100%, if it were in a residential area I'm sure it would have gotten more business. The Pier (or whatever they called it now, I think Playground) wasn't really easily accessible unless you wanted to pay to park and walk through Caesars or on the boardwalk.
 
Atlantic City was Golden in its prime. Now it’s a ghost town. When I saw the Trump Taj Mahal in ruins, I was devastated.. Hopefully the employees will get a nice severance package..
 
As someone who lives 15 minutes away from here, it’s sad to see it go.

Granted I’ve only gone in twice in 8 years...

AC has been in a major downturn for many years (tourism, gambling, etc), there has been a major uptick in the past year. All casinos turned a profit 2018 YTD vs last five years.

There was no parking for this store. You either had to park at a casino (most were $10 during the week and up to $20 on the weekends). Or there was a lot a block away from the store that would let you stay for less than an hour for a few $$.

The “south jersey” store they refer to is an hour away (Marlton). So effectively, online shopping is the only feasible Apple store experience for those of us stuck in “south” south NJ.

AC truly is going through a revitalization. As a husband and father of two, expendable gambling money is non-existent. However, the restaurant scene is still quite good. Beaches, not so much (go to ventnor, longport, margate or ocean city). Revel is reopening under new owners, brand and name. Hard Rock is opening next month as well.

Stockton University just purchased a ton of real estate and is building an entire “island” campus (ventnor) less than a mile away from the soon to close Apple store. I’m surprised they didn’t wait another year as they would of had quite a bit of potential student clients.
I lived there in Marlton for 10 years, I moved to Atlanta because I could not find a job as designer there for nothing, even the crappy UPS store would not hire me lol, I finally was after years 3 and tenants I finally was able to sell my house at an incredible loss, but that’s the price you pay for living in SNJ, it is going down in flames...
 
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What, you don't like dodging needles on the boardwalk? I lived in PA/NJ for nearly 14 years and went to AC I think...twice?

I live 10 mins outside center city Philly and 50 miles from AC. My wife and I hit the casinos once or twice a year. AC is a dump but the boardwalk is ok in and around the casinos. That being said, if it wasn’t for tourists Apple would have zero traffic in that store.
 
As an Apple investor, thank you Apple. Keep those profit margins nice and fat. There is absolutely no money to provide your AC-area customers a convenient service. Cut your losses and find a location with fatter wallets and more people.

Always look out for number one, Timmy- those invested in stock, not your products. You're about to be a trillion dollars company, and you won't get there unless you focus on only the markets with money. Those losing their jobs and customers who now have to drive will help us get that extra digit. You probably put a nail in that malls coffin, too.

Those of you fanboys who absolutely love personifying a multinational company... know the type of corporation you are personifying. They are not mom and pop. I don't personify Apple. I know what they are. And I want to ride that train to a trillion dollars at whatever cost.

Son, it’s pretty clear you’ve never been to AC.
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I'm actually kind of surprised that they're closing with sports betting coming to town. Having a shop like this where you can pick up a tablet, laptop, or get your equipment checked out would seem like a good spot to be in.

Granted depending on what the lease renewal costs it could be prohibitive to gamble on the future there.

Is that what weekend gamblers come to town for?
 
But I thought it was the sign of a stable genius to open a massive casino in AC? Oh, wait...

It was for decades when it was the only game in the area for gambling. You went to AC or Vegas. Then the Native Americans got into the game in CT and elsewhere. Then PA and NY relaxed the gambling laws and it's easier to drive to your own state vs AC.
 
Um, okaaaay. Apple Stores are the most profitable in the retail business when looked at by revenue per square foot but not even an Apple Store can single handedly prop up a dying shopping center.
That’s what happened in Simi. That mall died. Apple stayed as long as it could. I hated to see it go but I did understand.
 
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