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Apple Store Integration In Tiger?

What is everyone talking about with a giant ad infront of them demanding that they upgrade Photoshop or buy a new product all together? Look, the way I see it is its just like how your computer works now. When your printer ink is bone dry your computer tells you and says that it can't print. You have to take the print cartridge out and go to the store and get it replaced. Tiger it looks like there is an option to order it right through Apple's site, and it will have the exact model of cartridge ink needed for the printer. But to go to buy supplies you still have to go to it. It won't come with some internet popup taking you directly to the Apple store. I can get ink at other places for cheap I'm sure and probably won't use this feature all to much. But I know a few people that will use this feature almost exclusivly if they had it. I think its brillant business by Apple and if this is the sort of thing Tiger will bring to the table I'm all in.

Besides if you are dead set on NOT buying from Apple except the thousands you already spent buying on computer equipment then I'm willing to bet that you can change the store and order it from new egg or whatever. Or at least a hack of some sort to allow this as well.
 
aren't those old?!

iTunes has a link that says "shop for iTunes products" Apple Menu has a link that says "Mac OS X software" and there are many more... so this isn't as big as it sounds, is it? I don't mind them, i never used them, I might but I don't know..
 
Counterfit said:
Didn't MS do something similar to this in regards to pictures and/or music? And didn't they almost get in trouble for it?
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Actually, the MS thing was pretty minor. There was a link to buy music, I think, but the link isn't important. It was in the start menu, and it linked to the MS music store. Problem was, it opened up IE every time- couldn't change it. People screamed bloody murder, and MS changed it.
 
jdechko said:
a refrigerator that knows how much milk you have and when the milk will spoil and will go ahead and order more for you.
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For some reason, this reminds me of that new fridge from LG that has a TV in it.




WHAT THE **** DO YOU NEED A TV IN A REFRIGERATOR FOR!!??? :mad:
 
Why this isn't a bad thing...

Too be honest, this isn't a bad thing. Apple isn't forcing you to buy ink from the Apple Store - they are just making it easier to do so. You can still go to your favorite store to pick up an ink cartridge. You can even use your favorite online retailer to purchase one. Apple isn't taking away any functionality, they are only adding.

In short, if you don't like it, don't use it. If it is worth it to you, enjoy the convenience.
 
bcsmith said:
In short, if you don't like it, don't use it. If it is worth it to you, enjoy the convenience.
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The problem is this can go both ways. If this was MS they would be chastised for using their OS to advertise products. But since its Apple and they are a small time player its seen as “providing a service”.
It brings up the continuing debate of where the line should be drawn for what an OS provides? Is bundleware a good or bad thing? Should a monopoly have the same privileges that its smaller competition has?

*shrugs* At the end of the day I guess at least Apple's implementation is going to be seen as no different then any other service Apple bundles with its OS. (iPhoto's printing, .MAC, etc.)
 
SiliconAddict said:
Should a monopoly have the same privileges that its smaller competition has?
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No. They would always be a monoploy if that were the case. If apple were to ever become a monopoly... I would expect the same restriction be placed on them. Monopoly from anyone is bad.
 
bundleware is a bad thing - where does it end? apple is already going the opposite direction, as it ships iLife with a separate package. the next step would be to remove iLife apps from operating system releases and keeping them separate altogether. let's see if apple has the guts to do so.

it wouldn't be any kind of a problem for apple, as they could still keep system restore discs as they are now (because both operating system and iLife packages are included with a computer purchase). it would however be so cool to be able to install a very clean operating system from the retail disc, and then be able to select wanted iApps from the iLife retail disc. that's a choise apple should offer for the people who actually install software - the rest could just keep using the restore disc, should they ever need to reinstall their system at all.

to repeat myself: i don't want apple to bundle applestore.app into the operating system. it's a different story if it's a part of iLife, or a downloadable app. but bundle it into the operating system? no! what purpose would that app serve for the system? it's already slightly bad thing (in theory!) that apple bundles the music store into the operating system (actually it's bundled into itunes which belongs to iLife, but currently iLife is bundled into the operating system).
 
bcsmith said:
Too be honest, this isn't a bad thing. Apple isn't forcing you to buy ink from the Apple Store - they are just making it easier to do so. You can still go to your favorite store to pick up an ink cartridge. You can even use your favorite online retailer to purchase one. Apple isn't taking away any functionality, they are only adding.
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Ooo! Oooo! Can I rewrite this one?
<hops in Wayback Machine to 1997>

Too be honest, this isn't a bad thing. Microsoft isn't forcing you to use Internet Explorer as your web browser - they are just making it easier to do so. You can still go to your favorite store to pick up Netscape Communicator. You can even use your favorite online retailer to purchase a copy. Microsoft isn't taking away any functionality, they are only adding.

Moral: Consumerists will reach for the lowest hanging fruit, even if it's full of worms.
 
JFreak said:
bundleware is a bad thing - where does it end?
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and how does it end?

Thin end of the wedge.
I don't like Software Update either.
But I can't think of a reason why it is intrusive. I just never download from it, just double check.

anyone know where I get the stand alone installer for iPhoto 2.0.1?
just one reason I may have to start using it.

I was forced to.

and that's why I call it a wedge
 
software updater is in my opinion a good thing, it only updates what you already have installed; however, apple should offer the same method for 3rd parties too - it would be nice to be notified when for example photoshop gets a minor update.
 
Screenshots go Bye Bye :(

looks like apple legal had the screengrabs of the AppleStore integration removed from appleinsider. now instead of the screenshots I get

"Item removed under threat of litigation by Apple Computer."

So i guess all these reports on new tiger builds on the site are the real deal?
 
ojames said:
looks like apple legal had the screengrabs of the AppleStore integration removed from appleinsider. now instead of the screenshots I get

"Item removed under threat of litigation by Apple Computer."

So i guess all these reports on new tiger builds on the site are the real deal?
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Terrible idea, self-aggrandizing to the max, advertising all over our lives...
Soon, they'll pick for us what to buy, watch, listen and enjoy, oh wait, they've already started on that....
 
SeaFox said:
Ooo! Oooo! Can I rewrite this one?
<hops in Wayback Machine to 1997>

Too be honest, this isn't a bad thing. Microsoft isn't forcing you to use Internet Explorer as your web browser - they are just making it easier to do so. You can still go to your favorite store to pick up Netscape Communicator. You can even use your favorite online retailer to purchase a copy. Microsoft isn't taking away any functionality, they are only adding.

Moral: Consumerists will reach for the lowest hanging fruit, even if it's full of worms.
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Microsoft didn't get in trouble for bundling IE with Windows - otherwise Apple would be in trouble for bundling Safari. Microsoft got in trouble for forcing computer manufacturer to put IE's icon on the desktop and not allowing other browsers to be pre-installed. This was an abuse of its monopolistic postion.

Apple avoids this issue because they make the hardware as well. If they were still licensing the OS out and prohibited other manufacturer from add something that would allow customers to buy ink in any other way, then this would be bad. For now, it is just added convenience.
 
bcsmith said:
Microsoft didn't get in trouble for bundling IE with Windows - otherwise Apple would be in trouble for bundling Safari. Microsoft got in trouble for forcing computer manufacturer to put IE's icon on the desktop and not allowing other browsers to be pre-installed. This was an abuse of its monopolistic postion.
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Microsoft never got in trouble at all. There was a long drawn out thing in the court system that resulted in restrictions being made in how Microsoft does business, to be overseen by a group hired by Microsoft, that have been violated since then with no repercussions by the U.S. courts.

What resulted is Microsoft won the Browser Wars. They won because of the monopolistic practices. What was the gov't going to do? Force a huge swath of people to start using Netscape again? It was done. There was no way to "do-over" the whole thing. Microsoft got what they wanted at the expense of consumers. For years after that everyone on Windows has had to pay for their stupidity? gullibility? I dunno.

The point of my example wan't whether Apple doing it is legal or not. It's whether it is good for competition or not. And in this case I say it's not.
 
What apple is practicing by integrading advertisment of their products into their OS hurts other smaller companies the same way MS does. As far as the principle of what they're doing goes, Apple doesn't have to be as big as MS for it to be wrong, nor do they have to be the size of MS to hurt other companies by doing so. It's not fair to other companies for Apple to include links to sell their own products in their own OS without including alternatives other than their own company as a source for the products.

It's the same practice that monopolistic companies like MS does, only Apple isn't that big yet. It still hurts companies smaller than Apple though, which IMO follows the same footsteps as a monopoly.
 
Gunpoint?

OK, I don't get it. Is Tiger making you order ink (presumably from Apple) at gunpoint?

I kind of expected more from the Apple community. We tend to be bright folk most of the time (though a bit fanatical), and can usually be rational and level headed when it comes to 'nice to have' features.

Instead I see comments like "Nuh-uh, there's no way in Redmond that we'll be upgrading to Tiger! Nosir. Idon'tlikeit."

For those of you that need to disable it "all the way": When you're out of ink, avert your eyes (we'd hate for you to read something against your will), get your jacket on, get in your car and drive to [insert thecheapestplacetogetinkfrom here]. Voila. Crisis averted, and you still get to experience all the juicy goodness of Tiger. For those of you that truly have no clue (nor the ambition) how to procure a new ink cartridge: let us know how it works for ya!
 
SeaFox said:
Ooo! Oooo! Can I rewrite this one?
[snip]

Moral: Consumerists will reach for the lowest hanging fruit, even if it's full of worms.
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Uh, that was almost good: I think you mean consumers. Consumerists are a whole 'nuther breed.
 
CholEoptera36 said:
What apple is practicing by integrading advertisment of their products into their OS hurts other smaller companies the same way MS does. As far as the principle of what they're doing goes, Apple doesn't have to be as big as MS for it to be wrong, nor do they have to be the size of MS to hurt other companies by doing so. It's not fair to other companies for Apple to include links to sell their own products in their own OS without including alternatives other than their own company as a source for the products.

It's the same practice that monopolistic companies like MS does, only Apple isn't that big yet. It still hurts companies smaller than Apple though, which IMO follows the same footsteps as a monopoly.
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I still don't get how this is "hurting" other companies. For example, say I buy a brand new phone. The guy comes by, plugs it in for me, and slaps a sticker on the side: "For cheap long distance call..." So now, every time I use my phone, I'm reminded of this handy number I can call. But wait! Holy CRAP! There are dozens - nay, hundreds of other good, upstanding long distance companies out there that might not get a fair shake!

Where's the local Troubleshooter in this fine example of opportunistic capitalism?

:D

Of course, it's late and I feel like arguing...
 
Codemonkey said:
Uh, that was almost good: I think you mean consumers. Consumerists are a whole 'nuther breed.
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Ouch, thank you. I was not aware of that definition.

I was using a personal definition, where a consumerist is like part of a flock of sheep, a drone to marketting and the promise of consumption. Someone who does not make informed decisions. Sucked in by the hype, ect. I try to distance this type of person from the term "consumer" because a consumer can be informed and in a way, we ALL are consumers. But I personally separate the population into groups like this. The consumerists (by my definition), the non-consumerists (people who are unaffected by slick marketting and above the hype), and there are other groups I wont go into.

Actually, the second and third definition on your link tie in to my idea.
 
Longey Nowze said:
iTunes has a link that says "shop for iTunes products" Apple Menu has a link that says "Mac OS X software" and there are many more... so this isn't as big as it sounds, is it? I don't mind them, i never used them, I might but I don't know..
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And iPhoto has a link to buy iPhoto stuff too!. The Apple menu has a link to their downloads page. I can't believe that people are freaking out about a single menu item in a program very few people ever actually look in the menu of anyway.

Mac OS X has it, iTunes has it, iPhoto. As far as I know GarageBand, iMovie and iDvd might too, but I'm too lazy to open them up. And if all of these have it, who gives a crap about a silly little printer utility?!

Nothing is new here.

David :cool:
 
I think you're all missing the point.

If this feature is tied to webservices, then, in theory, any ink retailer could offer a plug-in for Tiger users that would allow them instant purchasing capability on any site. Users could select a source via a drop down menu, and a price would be displayed next to the appropriate cartridge.

There was an article a while back (I forget where?) about the possibility of Apple offering customized iTunes stores to Universities. This is a similar thing. I doubt Apple will ever go with a subscription service (and rightly so), but instead Universities could buy customizable iTunes services, offering locally hosted, free downloads of various types of orientation info, class notes and assignments, maybe even the audio equivalent of photocopied readings! The sky's the limit, I guess.

Given Apple's niche marketshare, it makes far more sense for Apple to compete in the services space than in the retail space.
 
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