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More like, some of the stuff I think Apple does is really stupid.

You have to sign a confidentiality agreement to work in a retail store?

Yeah, no.
Fair play if you think its stupid. It just is the way it is. Although I have never worked in the retail branch I'm sure security is taken as seriously there as the rest of Apple.
 
Fair play if you think its stupid. It just is the way it is. Although I have never worked in the retail branch I'm sure security is taken as seriously there as the rest of Apple.

What exactly is there to give out? The employees aren't told anything by the executives, they know just as much as you and I do. It's like Tim Cook wants you to think it's a privilege to work for him for $11.70 an hour with no benefits, no possibility of promotion, and no possibility of a raise.
 
What exactly is there to give out? The employees aren't told anything by the executives, they know just as much as you and I do. It's like Tim Cook wants you to think it's a privilege to work for him for $11.70 an hour with no benefits, no possibility of promotion, and no possibility of a raise.
Well they may have training, knowledge etc of products/ services / deals that are not yet available.
So, regardless of pay they are in the same boat.
You would be shocked at what lengths people go to to get even an inkling of what Apple is doing.
And yes, that could extend to a change in T-shirts.
 
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Well they may have training, knowledge etc of products/ services / deals that are not yet available.

I didn't think they learned about any of this until after a keynote, when many people learned the same thing anyways.
 
Although the research focuses on investment banking -- promoting or external hire -- the analysis is useful.
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On the other hand, “to promote more people internally also means that companies need to have a long-term perspective and know how big a pipeline of people will be needed in the future,” notes Bidwell. It also requires managers to ensure that internal people are aware of the opportunities open to them. “Finally, there are clearly some costs to internal mobility — for example, the cost of training people in-house versus piggybacking on someone else’s training.”
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http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/...d-more-and-perform-worse-than-internal-staff/
 
I didn't think they learned about any of this until after a keynote, when many people learned the same thing anyways.
And you may or may not be right. Or you might be wrong. Like I say, I'm not retail but security is taken incredibly seriously.
Or is it? :eek:
 
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I read the article, and the deal at Apple is actually a lot better: You save money over six months, and then they buy shares for you _at the lowest price of that six month period_, minus 15%. So if AAPL goes from $90 to $130, you get $130 shares for $76.50 and make lots of money. If AAPL then drops from $130 to $90 in the next six months, you get $90 shares for $76.50 - much less of a deal. Next six months it goes back from $90 to $130, and you are laughing again. With AAPL going up and down all the time, you'll have good deals and not so good deals.

Mine was nothing but bad, worse, and then depublished. :(
 
Does Apple have Chinese factory workers on their payroll? I thought they outsourced manufacturing to Foxconn. How would Apple have any control over what employees of another company are paying their staff?

Of course, it wouldn't. But do you think constantly carping at Apple that they're evil slave lords every time they attempt to do something to fix these things is going to further that effort? Or do you just like to complain about them?

I'm not saying that they are evil slave lords..... just pointing out that they are not really living up to the public image they are trying to convey; and just because everybody else does it does not make it right.

When a corporation does so extremely well it should benefit everyone who is part of it......
 
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What the hell is this about. Find a good job.
Retail sales used to be a great career and something one person could raise a family on. It's customers wanting to pay as little as possible and greedy shareholders that have turned it into an entry level after high school while in college job or for retirees. You're going to get crap service that way. There are great jobs in the field still but they are hard to find and even harder to secure.
 
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I said it before and I'll say it again. Apple is terribly to work for. I know from experience quite a few years ago. If you love happy clapping and false cheap every morning....it's the job for you!
 
I will never understand why a customer would be verbally abusive to a retail employee. I know it happens. I've seen it. It makes no sense. Besides being terribly rude there is nothing the retail employee can do to change company policy.

I've seen customers act crazy at Apple. On one occasion an older man was yelling at a young store employee. His language was foul. She was visibly upset. I stepped between the young staffer and the crazy old man telling him not to talk to her that way. He was upset with me for intervening. I know it's not my place but he was so abusive.

I finally told him to be cool or I would hurt is feelings. He stopped talking. He was just a bully.

A manager came over to deal with the customer. The young lady was crying and shaking. I did my best to comfort her telling her he was a crazy old man and don't even look at him. Poor girl. Nobody should have to deal with that for a job. People can be ugly and unreasonable.

Once the man was shown the door a manager came to me and thanked me. I apologized for interfering but admitted I would do it again in a similar instance.

People can be so ugly at times.
 
I've seen customers act crazy at Apple. On one occasion an older man was yelling at a young store employee. His language was foul. She was visibly upset. I stepped between the young staffer and the crazy old man telling him not to talk to her that way. He was upset with me for intervening. I know it's not my place but he was so abusive.

I finally told him to be cool or I would hurt is feelings. He stopped talking. He was just a bully.

A manager came over to deal with the customer. The young lady was crying and shaking. I did my best to comfort her telling her he was a crazy old man and don't even look at him. Poor girl. Nobody should have to deal with that for a job. People can be ugly and unreasonable.

I think you had a crush on the girl...
 
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This is a sad thing, and I hope Apple does something to help aleviate it a little. Regardless, I still hope to work for Apple in the next couple years while paying for school. I had a friend who had to be interviewed like 8 times to get the job and so far he likes it. I have another friend who went through the same interviewing process, but he got the job and eventually promotions and loved it, he was just promoted again and given a chance to work at a Miami Florida store. Apple even took care of everything for the first month or two as well, so he could find a place to live, but I can imagine many employees still getting hate, (to me it makes no sense to threaten anyone over computers, tablets, or phones.) That just shows how pathetic and sad you are as a human. That aside, one has to remember that not all Apple stores will have the same political junk as other's, my understanding is that in the US stores (after talking to 2 of my friends and the store manager at my store,) is that internally is actually where people get promoted, Apple doesn't do outside stuff as much unless they are looking for someone with the experience already and they were given one great recommendation letter.
But the point still stands... Apple fix this, and Apple also needs big huge ex-military security to keep people in line!!! ;)



Kal.
 
Everyone hates blanket statements, but I would bet Apple customers feel more entitled and know less about technology than Windows or Android users and take it out on staff for their lack of knowledge of more basic things
 
I'm not saying that they are evil slave lords..... just pointing out that they are not really living up to the public image they are trying to convey;

Few companies do. I'd say that Apple gets closer than most companies to living up whatever ideal they project.

and just because everybody else does it does not make it right.

I didn't say that. I asked you to name a company that has made more effort in this regard and been more transparent than Apple.

When a corporation does so extremely well it should benefit everyone who is part of it......

I didn't say otherwise. Unfortunately, Foxconn's employees are not Apple's.
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. Apple is terribly to work for. I know from experience quite a few years ago. If you love happy clapping and false cheap every morning....it's the job for you!
I couldn't continue a job thinking this way, carrying that load. In bad circumstances (judging by their retention stats, not Apple), it's best to do the job to the best of your ability to earn your money, and to earn your self-esteem. Move on when necessary.
 
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