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Apple Stores fighting back against scalpers
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Nonsense. I lived in the UK for a short time and I don't think I've ever heard more derogatory, racist euphemisms for specific groups of people than I did there.
...and let's not get into all the violent racial conflicts that erupt all over the world, splitting countries and turning neighbor against neighbor.Do you want specifics?
Not only is the OP racist but sexist as well. OP clearly stated it was a "guy" standing behind him OMG 
not to mention that the employee was a "she" so do i then assume OP is saying that females are racist? come on people.
seriously when did it become a crime to be descriptive?
not to mention that the employee was a "she" so do i then assume OP is saying that females are racist? come on people. seriously when did it become a crime to be descriptive?
Not only is the OP racist but sexist as well. OP clearly stated it was a "guy" standing behind him OMG
seriously when did it become a crime to be descriptive?
So true!
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So let me get this right... the thread has gone from Apple attempting to deflect selling to scalpers to being racist and sexist? Is that right?
I see a few issues here.
While the OP gave clear obvious descriptions of what he observed, he almost certainly didn't give an undertone message of being either IMO. He was stating what the common thread is in this forum and now being attacked by it. While he maybe should have delivered it in different context to be "politically correct," he certainly wasn't being off base with his tone of message.
If anyone feels that they are in need a product that is in high demand, be like the OP and get in line earlier and beat the scalpers to it. While it does irritate me that they are taking inventory and not using it for their personal use, and short-coming the end user, they are not wrong for doing it. It's a free market and they certainly are free to do it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is Apple's mess to clean up and not individuals store manager's of Apple stores, employees handing out tickets or anyone else. This isn't of Apple Corporation's standards or policy but a self-created policy exerted by personal emotion. This, folks, will cause a definate foundation for a civil lawsuit.
The free market isn't one that has ethics, it's about profit and survival; atleast not in this type of situation. Last time I checked, Apple's policy is no more than two iPad's sold to ANY individual in a SINGLE setting. This didn't mean in a lifetime, once a day, week, month or year. One setting.
I would even venture to say that it isn't illegal either because there was nothing in PLAIN SIGHT for any purchaser to see that the sale of the product in ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for personal use. So if Apple has such a policy, I've never seen it and if it isn't in plain sight, Apple CAN'T expect me to act on behalf of that hidden policy. Example.. Microsoft has is quite clear that there is no reselling of their license granted to the purchaser. Nothing like that exists here. Additionally, there was nothing signed by the purchaser stating that they will only use the item for their personal use and promise not to resell.
So yes I know it sucks but it isn't the individual Apple stores to take such measures because it's opening grounds they may not want to be. If individuals want the product, go get it before the next person or expect to be without that product.
So let me get this right... the thread has gone from Apple attempting to deflect selling to scalpers to being racist and sexist? Is that right?
I see a few issues here.
While the OP gave clear obvious descriptions of what he observed, he almost certainly didn't give an undertone message of being either IMO. He was stating what the common thread is in this forum and now being attacked by it. While he maybe should have delivered it in different context to be "politically correct," he certainly wasn't being off base with his tone of message.
If anyone feels that they are in need a product that is in high demand, be like the OP and get in line earlier and beat the scalpers to it. While it does irritate me that they are taking inventory and not using it for their personal use, and short-coming the end user, they are not wrong for doing it. It's a free market and they certainly are free to do it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is Apple's mess to clean up and not individuals store manager's of Apple stores, employees handing out tickets or anyone else. This isn't of Apple Corporation's standards or policy but a self-created policy exerted by personal emotion. This, folks, will cause a definate foundation for a civil lawsuit.
The free market isn't one that has ethics, it's about profit and survival; atleast not in this type of situation. Last time I checked, Apple's policy is no more than two iPad's sold to ANY individual in a SINGLE setting. This didn't mean in a lifetime, once a day, week, month or year. One setting.
I would even venture to say that it isn't illegal either because there was nothing in PLAIN SIGHT for any purchaser to see that the sale of the product in ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for personal use. So if Apple has such a policy, I've never seen it and if it isn't in plain sight, Apple CAN'T expect me to act on behalf of that hidden policy. Example.. Microsoft has is quite clear that there is no reselling of their license granted to the purchaser. Nothing like that exists here. Additionally, there was nothing signed by the purchaser stating that they will only use the item for their personal use and promise not to resell.
So yes I know it sucks but it isn't the individual Apple stores to take such measures because it's opening grounds they may not want to be. If individuals want the product, go get it before the next person or expect to be without that product.
What? No one has done anything illegal.
Any Apple store, however, can change this policy. Not illegal at all. There is nothing illegal about even a lifetime buy policy.
What are you? A scalper? Even if Apple sold it only for personal use, that is not illegal. Ever heard of "not for resale?"
What? The policy doesn't have to be written. You can't force a store to sell something to you. Period. If they don't want to sell to you, they don't have to.
So what? Apple doesn't need a written policy to not sell to someone.
Lawsuits? This is ridiculous. You can't legally force Apple to sell you something. Just like you can't legally force an eBay vendor to sell you something if they're only willing to sell to people with 10 or more feedbacks.
If Apple was racially profiling, sure, you might have a case. But Apple is totally legally allowed to not sell to people, or enforce lifetime sales limits, at each stores discretion, with no written policy.
Easy fix:
1. Limit of 1 (or 2) per customer (until supply constraints subside) on credit card transaction, swipe and walk, no need to open the package.
2. Cash transactions must be opened and activated with an iTunes account in store. Visa/MC gift cards without the customer's name on them treated as cash.
3. If customer wants to purchase unopened for a gift with cash: accept cash payment and ship it to a local address, same limits per address as in numbers 1 and 2.
Scalpers, regardless of race get to take a hike. No profiling or remembering what each of a thousand customers look like. Legit purchasers with cash can still purchase with a minor caveat. There are edge cases that would be inconvenienced but much less so than the existing method.
1. Limit of 1 (or 2) per customer (until supply constraints subside) on credit card transaction, swipe and walk, no need to open the package.
2. Cash transactions must be opened and activated with an iTunes account in store. Visa/MC gift cards without the customer's name on them treated as cash.
3. If customer wants to purchase unopened for a gift with cash: accept cash payment and ship it to a local address, same limits per address as in numbers 1 and 2.
Scalpers, regardless of race get to take a hike. No profiling or remembering what each of a thousand customers look like. Legit purchasers with cash can still purchase with a minor caveat. There are edge cases that would be inconvenienced but much less so than the existing method.
It is a US thing. I moved to Spain and I was shocked the first time my friends introduced me to their friends and introduced me as "Their American friend." It's was my first time being called American and not "race-American" like everyone does here.
lol.. would it ever get to that level.. ahh no! But goMac you surely don't think that Apple would condone 100 different store policies within their company? Do you?
Yes I've hear of "not for resale" but certainly doesn't apply here.
Yes the ebay not selling to anyone except those with feedback of 10; well yes that is clearly stated.
Am I a scalper...umm I thought I clearly stated that I'm irritated by their actions as well but this isn't about if I'm a scalper or not is it?
Any policy that the store puts to one person.. i.e. lifetime sale and things of that sort hopefully would be for everyone across the board because if not, there may be some issue arising from it.
All I'm saying is that the stores can't take personal actions as we all know it's wrong about the scalping and this whole ordeal has taken a turn for the worse.
Hopefully Apple will do something about it ... across the whole forum, not leaving stores to take their own actions.
Yes I've hear of "not for resale" but certainly doesn't apply here.
Yes the ebay not selling to anyone except those with feedback of 10; well yes that is clearly stated.
Am I a scalper...umm I thought I clearly stated that I'm irritated by their actions as well but this isn't about if I'm a scalper or not is it?
Any policy that the store puts to one person.. i.e. lifetime sale and things of that sort hopefully would be for everyone across the board because if not, there may be some issue arising from it.
All I'm saying is that the stores can't take personal actions as we all know it's wrong about the scalping and this whole ordeal has taken a turn for the worse.
Hopefully Apple will do something about it ... across the whole forum, not leaving stores to take their own actions.
I dont' mind scalpers at all, but I wish Apple would set a policy where it's 1 per person and if you want a 2nd one you'd have to go the back of the line again.
That's just a little more fair for everyone even if you waited in line early or not.
That's just a little more fair for everyone even if you waited in line early or not.
They obviously recognized the guy from previous days. Probably from several days of purchases. Good for the Apple store for doing this.
I do. Apple allows the stores to set their own rules. That's the job of the manager of the store.
Again, you cannot force a store to sell you something. I'm not sure why that's not clear.
It is legal precedent that a store can deny you service for any reason excluding discriminatory practices.
Apple can even make you leave the store for any reason.
So, you're avoiding the question?
Each store can set their own policies. There is nothing illegal about it, and there is nothing against Apple's policies against it. The store managers each have their own discretion until Apple issues a company wide policy, which they have not so far.
Stores can all make their own policy until Apple makes a rule otherwise. I'm not sure why you don't get this.
They've left it up to the store managers so far. I'm sorry you don't like it, but that is not illegal at all.
I went to an Apple store at 9am to see if there was a line... there was.
so the dude behind me had a white 16gig wifi... he had gotten the wrong one and had a guarantee card for a 3G version.
I asked what he was doing, he said returning the 16gig wifi, and buying the 3G. Well, there was no way I was getting an ipad from the store that day.
So I whipped out $600 bucks, and bought it right there to the chagrin of all the people in the line around me hoping for a chance.
With tax, it would have cost me $533. So I overpaid by $63 dollars
Great day for me, and the seller!
you paid basically price for a 32 gig wifi for a 16 gig. yeah #WINNING.