Deaths are starting to trend back up (in the US at least), actually. Yesterday, we had 902 deaths, which is the highest it's been since early June, over a month ago.
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The planet needs a crashcourse on how these diseases work. There's even doubt there is such a thing as an infectuous virus, and the theory that viruse are in fact created by damaged cells is gaining traction. I am not saying that's the way it is, but if you did any research yourself you would know. Many know.
This particular virus is a SPECIAL KIND of DUMB - because this particular virus and test tests nothing, proves nothing, and has symptoms that are the same as any common cold or flu.
People don't realize a simple fact: There is death in this world. People die. 300,000 each day die from old age, which in our modern medical system is always classified as something - flu, cold, cancer, heart attack, whatever - these people are ABOVE the average age, and therefore can be expected to die. It's not called average age for nothing. It's called average age because on average people die around that age.
In 2020, anyone who dies in the USA is classified as covid. Even if they have cancer, and various other ailments, and are 85 years old.
Covid is a massive scam on a scale we have never seen. That's why they need to much fake death to keep up the numbers. A REAL pandemic doens't need fake numbers and fake measures like masks. Oh look our useless measures defeated a non-existent virus - why? Because the MEDIA says so! Woo hoo.
The test for covid has not passed Koch's postulates. That means this piece of DNA we call covid
- Was never isolated. Translation - we don't even know what exactly we're looking for and if what we're testing isn't a byproduct of something else.
- Was never proven to cause a disease - one of the core elements of classifying a virus as disease causing was never done. In the beginning we could say well it's new, there is no time. By now we have to be saying - many tried, nobody succeeded.
- Was never proven to be infectouous. Same as above, by now many tried, nobody succeeded.
These are scientific base for declaring a disease causing virus
They have not been fulfilled because we are in a situation where there's BS in the media, there'a fear and panic virus, there's people who can't count, and are so out of their minds basic logic and reasoning have left them a few months ago, and now they believe in santa claus along with masks made from cloth that have pores 1000x the size of the virus protecting them. And it works because there isn't a disease causing virus. A real virus would pass all these masks with ease, it's 10x smaller than the pores in the N95 mask, which is the best mask outisde of haz mat suits.
If you still believe the LIE that is corona it will go on FOREVER because it was always a lie, it will continue to be a lie, and they'll continue telling it as long as they can get away with it.
These days, there's volumes of scientific research showing what I just said above, and many things I didn't even mention, all of which show with 100% certainty there is no such virus.
Please let me go into a room full of 100 covid patients and linger there for a day, hug everyone, and then test me. Because I won't get sick from it, because there is no such virus. The only problem is you won't find a room with 100 covid patients. At best you'll find some that have been falsely diagnosed with covid, some of which are tragically killed by the wrong treatments such as ventilators.
Biggest lie in history. Censorship all over the place saying these things simply proves that yes, there is such a conspiracy on a massive scale, although chances are that 99.9% of doctors and so on really actually believe the BS along with the media-believing sheep masses.
And yeah viruses likely don't even work the way we were told, but that's another story.
Couldn’t have anything to do with Australia reporting differently, testing differently, classifying deaths differently, being less than a tenth of the size of US, having only a couple major cities, or being on the other side of the world with a completely different season when the virus started its spread?
Yeah, and China has 85,000 cases
There is no central source producing, checking, or validating these numbers. Comparing various countries with these stats is virtually useless because the numbers are self reported. It’s not apples to apples in most cases, clearly. Look at China.
Your “great response” the the virus COULD actually have little to do with what you’re doing and a lot more to do with many other circumstances out of your control. No one knows for sure, so don’t be so sure.
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I think the person you were replying to may have been assuming the US was already way beyond the possibility of having the experience of Japan, SK, Tawain, Australia, or New Zealand and so at this point...no more lockdowns. The US already blew way past those as options despite 3 months of lockdowns. So what do we do now? Lockdowns after three months of lockdowns are unlikely to be doable. Especially in the US after politicians and public health officials cheered on huge protests and riots. It is simply not possible to enforce a lock down in the US anymore. So...even if that was what was wanted it is now impossible to do. People are just going to do what they want to do and apparently what they want to do is spread CV19.
yes. The situation sucks. I personally hate it. And it’s very tempting to say what you’re saying. I also believe there is little we can do to stop the spread. That this whole effort is a futile effort of waste.
That being said... nothing like this has ever happened before. No, not the virus. But rather us having the ability to collect and share information so quickly and openly. This has changed the dynamic of response to the virus.
How many people stay away from work places during flu season? I’ll tell you in large corporations, quite a few. They stay away because lots of morons go to work sick and don’t take the necessary precautions to keep from getting everyone else sick. It happens every year and leads not only to the inconvenience of getting ill but also to waste and dollars lost for the employers and employees.
Predictability fuels an economy. If this exercise gets us one step closer to constant predictability in any respect then it will be better than absolute chaos.
The population size will have an impact but that’s exactly why I quoted figures per 1M population: it’s a number relative to population size not a fixed number.
You think America is over classifying deaths by 100x or Australia is underclassifying deaths by 100x?
Really?
I live in Thailand - We have even fewer cases (as in actual numbers not even # per 1M) than Australia here with 3x the population - schools have reopened.
There are plenty of other countries that show an active response can greatly reduce the spread.
I have, I'm reading straight data. Bias? No, I just don't follow sensationalist media headlines. Cases spiked, but deaths are not following the same trend as the initial surge. The ages of people being tested is tracked as well, and for the most part these positive tests are centered around younger folks. Vulnerable populations, either age or underlying conditions should and need to take precautions. There's no denying that.
There are studies right now gauging the impact of the uninfected. Suicides are up (calls to the Suicide hotline were up over 1000% during the lock-down). Substance abuse is way up. People are financially ruined and businesses lost. We need to look at the holistic impact of the lock-down. Government handouts and the resulting inflation are stop gap solutions, and the long-term impact of those programs are yet to be realized.
I have no political bias or agenda, I look at studies, known and irrefutable data and facts. I try to listen to unbiased field experts (so that means no Fox News, no CNN, no MSNBC, etc contributors). This shouldn't be a political issue, it should be looked at via a scientific lens that isn't influenced by social pressures. I won't get into claims some doctors and hospitals are falsely stating cause of dead or other conspiracy theories. But once the dust has settled, perhaps independent studies should look at these too.
Apple has the right of course to take the stance they are..
Population size and proximity of cities, weather, culture, and many other dynamics matter for the spread of the virus, directly. Per one million is just one step to making numbers more comparable...still doesn’t mesn they are.
I mentioned many other dynamics besides reporting. I do think the US is testing more than any country and likely reporting any over 80 y/o With covid a death regardless. There are financial incentives for a covid death here.
Ive been to Bangkok. People fly in and out of Bangkok like crazy. You think your measures have prevented sick people from entering your country? I don’t know if there is a travel ban, but if anyone is flying there, the virus is spreading and killing people.
If there is a travel ban, which there might be, Thailand is in a unique position to do it. It’s harder to do in the US because of the culture, size, and mix of people.
It's a massive scam. Robots follow the mind programming on tell-a-vision ... unfortunately the vision told is the new world order vision and robot like humans are going to be locked into their little cells forever, they'll never let you out.
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You state you have no bias and yet all the facts and figures you cite paint a picture that clearly supports “one side” of a political debate.
Also, there are NUMEROUS disinformation campaigns being unwittingly fueled by purported experts of various scientific disciplines. And when I say unwittingly I do mean that literally.
Unfortunately, when dealing with health related matters ethical AND moral considerations always come into play. Both are acceptable to the majority of humans but there is a massive divergence when economic considerations come into play.
I do biomedical research and have had to investigate these very matters in a different context and there is massive controversy around the publication of the cost of certain things. Like blood or plasma. How much does it cost to acquire? Much more of a challenge to quantify than you might imagine.
So as you consider an appropriate response to a public health concern... ask yourself this question. How much is the absolute cost of one human life? How much would you pay to keep yourself or a loved one alive?
And when you have that figure please share it with me because I’m doing calculations right now and haven’t quite narrowed it down to a single universally accepted figure. LOL
“lockdowns” are only a piece of the puzzle in countries where the situation is
Based on other posts I’ve read my understanding is that there was never any enforc
At this rate I’m surprised there isn’t a call for a constitutional amendment to protect the right to spread a highly infectious virus.
a quick search would have told you that there is, and literally the only new confirmed cases of covid19 in Thailand for <checks notes> 44 days are from returning citizens, who were basically the only people allowed into the country since the beginning of April.
All returnees are quarantined.
Do you have any qualifications or expertise in science or biology to back up these claims? Are you a scientist or doctor?
Yeah, like I said, Thailand is a different country. Totally different. Congratulations.
Canada and Australia both implemented similar schemes. Do I really need to get you a list of how many other countries reacted better to the situation?
No one is saying everything was optimal, but you have a lot of variables out of everyone’s control, so the direct comparison isn’t completely fair.
The same things that work once place don’t always work another. You also have no idea if said measures are 90% or the solution or 10%. Maybe things out of anyone’s control account for more of the solution than you realize. You have no reliable control group to do the comparison because there are too many variables.
Interestingly enough, despite our flaws, America is universally admired by Australians. You look up to us for leadership and guidance on navigating a complex world. Our strong bilateral relations is a national point of pride in Australia. So why not try America's approach to combating the virus? Who knows, you might like it, a lot.
I'm glad you are happy about where you live, but I guess others may have a different opinion.
There was lots of enforcement in the US during lockdowns. Both govt enforcement and social. There was near universal consensus early on. As for other options...yes of course but I was not proposing a plan just responding. Masks, social distance, contract tracing. All of it.
We don’t need an amendment. The Supreme Court will just declare it a fundamental right of Americans to express themselves virally.
I don't believe in karma but I believe in consequences.
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It's now what, July? So we're 4 months into the scam, and people still believe it. That's surprising to me!
Eveyrthing I learned about covid I learned in Feb/March, and since then none of these facts have changed. And these facts are universally accepted on all sides. You won't find this in the media because the media is being used to brainwash people into thinking they now need to submit to an authoritarian nazi state.
Facts:
1 - The cruise ship - a perfect lab experiment, the likes of which is almost impossible to conduct or come up with. Everyone on the diamond princess cruise was exposed to the virus. Therefore we know from a perfect statistical sample what the infection rates and death rates are. These numbers have never been refuted. They are not up for discussion. They're estbalished and agreed upon. They're facts. Everything else was computer models, conjecture, and fearmongering. These are the numbers: 3600 exposes (for 2 weeks!), 700+ infected (100% test rate - you don't find that in the general population, which is important), 0 dead. Yep. 0 people died on the cruise shop. ZERO.
2-3 died weeks later, but they were all over 80 year old males, and the average life expectancy for males is 75. So someone dying when they are above average age is not exactly a surprise. Himans don't live forever.
These are facts. They are irrefutable, and have never been questioned. Even the media reported them. Since you can't get a few thousand people in one place, and intentionally infect them, and then see who dies, this was our one and only perfect lab experiment. But we don't need more than 1. They even had a very high average age on this ship, I think it was 70. So they were biased towards more death, if anything.
Yet no one died. Which is why initially flatten the curve was all the rage, until everyone forgot about that, and switched to "nobody ever get ill again ever".
We know the true death rate of covid and it's less than 1/3600.
2 - The test.
The test is a test that checks for pieces of RNA. Its inventor is on record saying it should never be used to diagnose a disease. Instead the disease should be diagnosed by symptoms, and the test should be used to confirm a diagnosis. we've been using it to diagnose since Feb.
The test also does not fill Koch's postilates
- the virus was never isolated
- the virus was never proven to be contagious (which is something you can do once it's isolated, there's a very specific protocol for that)
- the virus was never proven to cause a disease (we carry millions of viruses on our body that don't cause diseases, it's normal)
All the above was known from day 1 - definitely since february when I started to look into it.
From this, you don't need any other information. We can tell there is no virus.
That later on, an unbelievable amount of data was faked is no surprise. That's just more evidence but not really needed. This is the biggest scam in my lifetime. Bigger than 9-11.
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if it weren't for the dead I knew, or relatives who were intubated, or for getting sick myself, you could almost have convinced me
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