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I don’t have the Studio, but I did buy the Pro XDR a few weeks (kinda dumb I guess) which I’m having some issues with as well (with m1 max)

Anyways, anyone have the same issue where the System Report is not showing you the framebuffer depth (8 vs 10 bit per pixel)?
I swear that info was there, and it does appear on my intel MacBooks, but nowhere to be seen on the M1 max. The screenshot in the article here also doesn’t have the framebuffer depth :/

tldr, anyone have any info/fixes for why my Pro Display XDR on m1 max is seemingly on 8bit mode and not changeable to 10bit?
 
They'll likely fix it, but I agree with Gruber: how it's so bad right out of the box is bizarre. Was a 2trillion dollar company so rushed they couldnt have dealt with it.
when virtually everyone has the same issue, you know the Apple folks working on these things encountered them too, and it’s odd they’d ship such products anyways.

I’d agree, they almost certainly were aware of the issues. Of course, they’ll never admit this, as their marketing culture requires that everything they launch is always ‘phenomenal’, ‘amazing’, ‘like nothing you’ve ever seen before’…

That said, I’m willing to extend them some grace for not delaying the launch of this display. After all, they had a genuinely ‘phenomenal’ Mac Studio ready and waiting to go out, and, of course, it made a lot of sense to release the two products together. I think we will see the camera issues are really software issues and all this will blow away soon enough.
 
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You have a very low bar for defining what a ‘computer’ is. Also an Apple Watch does all the things you listed. I wouldn’t call that a computer.
A computer is not the device, it’s what you do with it. I had a wealthy, elderly client that bought a maxed-out, top-of-the-line Mac Pro that he used only to check his email and chat online with his model tank club — tasks that could easily be accomplished on an tablet. So, for all practical purposes, he doesn’t have a computer (by your definition), but has a very, very, VERY expensive iPad.

On the other hand, I create and edit video projects (computer work!) using Luma Fusion on my iPad Pro, and I know several people who create and record music, edit photos or run their real estate business (all computer work) on their iPads.
 
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Don’t forget another key feature missing for Windows users:

There is no way to adjust the screen brightness or volume level without a Mac.
 
For those wondering if the monitor runs full iOS or iPadOS, I would say the likelihood is near zero that it does. If you notice the build numbers for iOS and iPadOS, they are the same, yet they have very different features and UI’s. The builds are done at the same time, but the installer includes different files, including only the ones necessary for the device. What makes up these OS’es is a Unix kernel and file system plus libraries that run various features. iOS contains certain libraries as does iPadOS but they are not necessarily the same libraries. Sure there are overlaps, but they are not the same OS. The same goes with macOS, though it has a different build number system, probably because it is built on a different release cycle. It has vastly different libraries from iOS yet they share a common kernel.

The display monitor has the same kernel and file system but probably has a significantly stripped down list of libraries it requires. I seriously doubt the software in the monitor contains most of the libraries contained in iOS, but will contain the same libraries required to run the webcam and spatial audio. Everything else would be stripped out.

For those who comment on the size of the updates, the update size does not tell you much. All it says is that the OS files that are updated add up to a certain size, but not all files in the OS are updated each time. Someone commented their update file was 609MB. That could be the entire OS or just a subset that make up the difference between 15.3 and 15.4. There’s no way for us to tell.

Those wondering if the monitor can somehow be hacked to run applications or to use a stylus or something else, the answer is almost certainly no because the necessary libraries for running those features that would be present in iOS or iPadOS are not going to be present on the monitor. Apple would be wasting space if they included unnecessary files.

Every piece of hardware with any type of functionality has some sort of basic OS along with storage space for the firmware. It might be stored on an SSD or an EPROM. Without tearing down the monitor, we wouldn’t know. Every piece of hardware with functionality (could be a toaster, a microwave, a washing machine, a car, or a TV, etc) has a CPU, storage, RAM, and firmware that operates the hardware. Just because this one looks like iOS doesn’t mean it is the full iOS. The build number does hint that firmware updates for the monitor might be on the same release cycle as iOS/iPadOS. Likely Apple did it this way to make development easier. The monitor shares functionality with iOS, so it’s easier to just re-use code.
 
Bloat, therefore bad design as of right now.

They better introduce some exciting features utilizing all the technology packed into this display.

I mean they remove chargers from the iPhone box for 'environmental' reasons and then release a display with a fully fledged A13 chip and the latest version of iOS running on it and all you get is some gimmicky webcam feature and slightly improved sound. LUL
 
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Bloat, therefore bad design as of right now.

They better introduce some exciting features utilizing all the technology packed into this display.

I mean they remove chargers from the iPhone box for 'environmental' reasons and then release a display with a fully fledged A13 chip and the latest version of iOS running on it and all you get is some gimmicky webcam feature and slightly improved sound. LUL

And Apple will. What's really sad is so many here are more into slamming the display and the bug rather than realizing the potential of having an A-series processor and operating system that opens the door for future interesting features.

The problem is nobody here wants to exercise their curiosity and imagination as to what could be coming. It ain't that hard!
 
And Apple will. What's really sad is so many here are more into slamming the display and the bug rather than realizing the potential of having an A-series processor and operating system that opens the door for future interesting features.

The problem is nobody here wants to exercise their curiosity and imagination as to what could be coming. It ain't that hard!

Yep. I think the issue is that it's pretty hard for people who are used to low ball monitors which are merely leveraging the cheap television market for panels. Sure you can get something the same size and shape which is called a monitor for $300 but it sucks. This is something different entirely.

This thing is pretty cheap. People are just used to crap being even cheaper.

A good price comparison is looking up how much an LG HN713D costs!

Even going back 22-25 years I spent more than the Studio Display on a Sun 21" FD Trinitron.
 
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Apple gave iOS to a display but they can't provide a proper OS for the iPads to make it more like a computer.
It is easier to disable iOS' features and make it run into a "kiosk" mode rather than re-thinking how a touch-screen computer would work.
 
Don’t forget another key feature missing for Windows users:

There is no way to adjust the screen brightness or volume level without a Mac.
Well I didn't want to open this can of worms but there you go..

So Apple released a display that is compatible with a Windows PC but missing many features.

But then the same display is fully compatible with the 2019 Mac pro that happens to run both Mac OS and Windows under bootcamp. Now what?

You tell me that installing bootcamp drivers on a Windows PC won't enable those missing features?

That doesn't make sense at all to me but okay...
 
Don’t forget another key feature missing for Windows users:

There is no way to adjust the screen brightness or volume level without a Mac.
Looking at how it works there’s a USB device on the TB cable which is the display. I suspect it’d take someone about an hour with wireshark to reverse engineer the protocols. Then a week or so to write a driver for windows. I could imagine this appearing very quickly. Probably Linux first.
 
So this display is going to need iOS firmware updates following step in step with iOS for the iPhone. So every 3 weeks or so it’ll need to download several gigabytes of data and then install it.
That sounds just swell
The firmware is 600MB (because it's not full iOS despite what the build number implies), and it probably won't need to be updated every time iOS gets an update too (same happens with eg. tvOS).
 
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This is exactly the sentiment I have with Apple products these days. So much missed opportunity, or deliberate omissions of features to push services (looking at you Home Pod, unable to play my iTunes library because of Apple Music).
One of my early Roku boxes had a button on the box that you could push to sound an alarm on a remote. I would have LOVED a built in AirTag in the new AppleTV 4k.
 
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One thing to keep in mind is it looks like you don't get the 15.4 firmware if you are part of the Apple Beta program. I kept checking for updates since I was still on 14.3. So I opted out of the beta progam, and instantly I got the 15.4 beta. Apple really needs to fix that.
 
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