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Apple Studio Display Runs Full Version of iOS 15.4

mthe1718 said:
I'm convinced the poor webcam quality comes from using an ultrawide lens and then cropping in on the sensor to make it look more normal. This always increases noise and artifacts and is now a hardware problem.
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If you watch Nilay Patel's review (in the middle of The Verge Mac Studio review), the webcam is miles worse than the same sensor in the iPhone 13 Pro and the inferior 1080p sensors in other Macs. He does a nice split screen.

Either this is a software bug, which is shamefully embarrassing to ship in this state. Or Apple goofed big and there is a A13/TrueDepth/macOS issue that means the camera will be forever terrible.
 
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arnoz said:
Mine also had 15.3, and you can update via Software Update in preferences (requires a reboot…)
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A reboot of what?? Mac OS? Why?? The display needing to restart I would understand... but do Not like. Why does everything have to be a computer, requiring rebooting and software updates?
 
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Abazigal said:
My 3rd gen Apple TV continues to support airplay mirroring despite not having received a software update in ages. I think that the monitor will continue to work with Macs for as long as it can switch on, and I don't think Apple will go so far as to intentionally brick or cripple it past a certain period of time.
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Depends on how bloated the final iOS update is...
 
MauiPa said:
if it allowed apps, you would have the same thing. I'm not sure we are done hearing about features for this. iOS is way overkill, so that has me speculating. There is no mention at all of network capability (which I can see not mentioning if the capabilities weren't running yet, or more likely they are not there). It just makes so much sense to use as an airplay display, or airplay speakers at minimum, but that requires wifi, which is not mentioned.

OK, I'm rambling, but I simply don't get having a full fledged iOS (essentially a 27 inch iPhone) if you don't use any of the many features you could have used.
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Maybe, but to me tvOS would have made more sense since it doesn't require touch control. Just add it to the Remote App functionality or make it work with the Apple Remote (sold separately).
 
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bmustaf said:
Despite the (marketing) claims, iPadOS and iOS are not fundamentally different, at best, they are different build/packaging of the same core OS components (kernel, drivers, etc). The main differences lie in which exact drivers get packaged and user-land APIs. But that's like saying a Toyota and a Lexus are totally different. It's largely a plastics, cosmetic, marketing, and segment/use difference, no matter how much anyone insists to the contrary, things like center stage are largely appilcation-level feature differences (even if they have/access kernel or OS-level services, these services/APIs are actually extant on iOS devices, because it's all "Neural Engine", Metal, and other such APIs on top of nearly the *exact* same SoCs/silicon, too, just presented to the user differently and/or not at all at the application level and the marketing level).
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Yeah, it’s dumb that they started naming them all differently.
 
bmustaf said:
Have expectations really been lowered THIS much? That people paying $1,500+ for a display marketed as "the best" and touted in marketing materials to be so amazing, from a company known to obsess over the tiniest details of packaging, keynotes, unveils, etc to the point of it being called a "reality distortion field" with possibly the biggest consumer technology supply chain & processes ever seen are "riled up" when their product fails to meet even basic expectations at unboxing? Because of a "bug"?

The bug is the fact we think this is somehow OK and that we've been programmed to think people are whiny or whatever rather than delivering product that matches/meets even basic expectations.

Software is complex, no doubt, but QC is not. Clearly, there was no test on an actual production build on production hardware before it was released to manufacturing. Or, more likely, there was, and they knew the issue existed, and went ahead with it all anyway because all the logistics had been lined up and launch date confirmed and they'd just have to "deal with it". Which is fine, but somehow normalizing that failure and blaming the people who aren't happy with that (or being told they're "holding it wrong", etc, etc) is a very interesting inversion of reason.
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Finally. Someone else like me.

The computer industry is utterly broken, but a culture of hyper-normalization has conditioned everyone into barley reacting to this near-universal mess.
 
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siddavis said:
This is my fear. It may not be as drastic, but what about future support? I thought I’d be getting a separate display with a longer replacement cycle.
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I suppose this is no different from all other monitors having an ARM based controller running their own firmware, normally nobody cares - or even knows. Main difference is that this firmware is easy to update and it has a builtin camera with a glaring bug.
 
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dysamoria said:
Finally. Someone else like me.

The computer industry is utterly broken, but a culture of hyper-normalization has conditioned everyone into barley reacting to this near-universal mess.
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Yeah, it's only you two unique individuals reacting to this glaring bug.
 
Some of Apple’s bugs on new products are quite surprising, especially when they affect everyone. Computers and software will always exhibit glitches and things like that depending on unique user circumstances, but when virtually everyone has the same issue, you know the Apple folks working on these things encountered them too, and it’s odd they’d ship such products anyways.
 
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KoolAid-Drink said:
I'm confused. Why would Apple even have software for a display monitor? Simply have the firmware ready for a camera/connection and make it work, like any other monitor. Does that mean hooking up the Studio display to another non-Apple device is not possible?

Also, why iOS? Why couldn't they use some kind of variant of macOS or iOS, or even tvOS? A whole/full version of iOS for a monitor seems silly and overkill to me.
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It's very common for monitors and especially cameras to have ARM controllers running a firmware, mostly we just don't know about it. Turns out this one can be upgraded from a mac.

It would need to be an iOS version at least somewhat tailored for purpose, they'd need to in order to put the special camera/sound software on it anyway that uses the right interfaces and is always ready to start. Still, tailoring too much might introduce bugs and iOS/iPadOS can run very light. That beastly SoC will probably sit at 0-1% CPU utilization most of the time except when using the camera.

They probably used binned versions of that SoC, making use of overstock or just had an existing contract with a deal on the N7 node from TSMC.
 
Danfango said:
Interesting. Mine is showing an earlier firmware revision.

Display Firmware Version: Version 15.3 (Build 19D8050)

Wonder how you update it. Anyone got any ideas?
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That's the version I have as well. Might not want to update - the Apple folks seem to be saying that camera issues are due to late firmware change...
 
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UltimateSyn said:
I wish it ran full-fledged tvOS so you could use it when a Mac isn't connected - or supported wireless Sidecar / Universal Control. There are a few really cool features that Apple's team was uniquely positioned to implement, with their software and the A13, yet passed up on.
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You're not gonna run tvOS on it when Apple has a device that will do that for thousand less. This comment is a hysterically bad take. Just lol. This is not a device for the average consumer.
 
Nicole1980 said:
They'll likely fix it, but I agree with Gruber: how it's so bad right out of the box is bizarre. Was a 2trillion dollar company so rushed they couldn't have dealt with it.
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I agree. You only get one chance to make a first impression and they blew it. No doubt they'll fix it and picture quality will end up being comparable to iPad / MacBooks. But whenever anyone searches for a review of the Studio display they'll get a slew of negative reviews.

Bad, highly overpaid management let this happen. Nobody "discovered" this after it was released. It was known long before then.
 
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asdfjkl; said:
I agree. You only get one chance to make a first impression and they blew it. No doubt they'll fix it and picture quality will end up being comparable to iPad / MacBooks. But whenever anyone searches for a review of the Studio display they'll get a slew of negative reviews.

Bad, highly overpaid management let this happen. Nobody "discovered" this after it was released. It was known long before then.
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How do you know it’s not a hardware issue or an issue that cannot be remedied via firmware/software update?
 
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