Apple Submits Mystery 'Wireless Device' With Bluetooth and NFC to FCC

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  1. Razorhog macrumors 65816

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    I've got 3 Nest thermostats, I doubt they will ever work with Apple's Home app. If this really is an Apple thermostat, I might sell my nests.
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    Yeah seems more likely that it is a POS device for Apple Pay.
     
  2. Mtmspa macrumors 6502a

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    I have this amazing feature on my thermostat where I can program it to have the temp right when I get home and change when I go to work. Also allows me to set it for weekends. No wifi or phone needed and it costs about 40 bucks. On the shelf at Home Depot and made by Honeywell.
     
  3. Attirex macrumors 6502a

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    whatever it is, i'm already disappointed by it and Tim needs to resign.
     
  4. Return Zero macrumors 6502a

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    Based on the voltage, it's not a mobile/handheld device. Based on the apparent size, it's not a Mac (unless the Mac Mini is going through the shrinker in a major way). Based on the excessive labeling and serial connections, it does indeed seem like an internal device, perhaps for testing at EVT stages. Based on the shape, it does appear to be a product that would eventually see the light of day (not just stuck in a testing lab). Based on the lack of additional connections, it's not a thermostat. Based on the lack of a Wi-Fi report, it's not an Apple TV, AirPort, or Siri speaker. Based on the bluetooth LE + NFC reports, my guess is that it would have something to do with either bluetooth headphones/audio or Apple Pay (like a wireless payment terminal that connects to an iDevice).
     
  5. picciano, Sep 23, 2016
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    It is a bluetooth/NFC payment receiver for point of sale systems. It is mainly for retailers. RS485 is common for POS accessories. It's also common for lighting control systems.
     
  6. blackketter macrumors newbie

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    I think that this is the best answer so far. The hardware as described (RS485, NFC, Bluetooth and nothing else) is an exact match for a access reader. The real question is whether this would be a product or just for internal use.
     
  7. lordofthereef macrumors G5

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    I can understand the thermostat guesses except for the NFC. Anyone care to help me with that? This seems to lend itself more towards payments. No?
     
  8. frumpy16 macrumors 6502a

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    NFC could be used for pairing a device. A number of bluetooth speakers do this.
     
  9. ipedro macrumors 601

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    Unless it's an accessory for AppleTV. Siri device is to AppleTV like AirPods are to iPhone.
     
  10. tmiw macrumors 68020

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    Does this mean Apple is finally opening up the NFC chip on the iPhone?
     
  11. ipedro macrumors 601

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    You can already do this. HomeKit does exactly this.
     
  12. Waxhead138 macrumors 6502

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    I was thinking something along the same lines...they are missing out on a boatload of opportunity with the aftermarket for CarPlay. Size seems a bit much though.

    Actually scrap that. I don't think there would be a stand alone solution to cover the amount of software interfaces a device like that would need to bring on screen functionality to pre existing in dash equipment. Besides...it would have to plug in via-harness, which still means taking apart the dash...at which point you might as well replace the head unit.

    Some folks posted well before me about it being an IoT Thermostat. Mostly makes sense....but no wifi? Just Bluetooth? That's the only thing that bugs me about that theory.
     
  13. DanielDD macrumors 6502

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    It's a wireless charging plug, I'm telling you
     
  14. Waxhead138 macrumors 6502

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    It's also cool to have a rumor that isn't already half figured about by the time it hits the site.
     
  15. Gudi macrumors 68030

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    Of course. It's a remote vibrator for cam shows with payments for private sessions.
    Yeah, me too. People need good real sex, not contactless near field communication.
     
  16. CrackheadMob macrumors newbie

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    Bet its for access control. Modern replacement for those non-contact or swipe units that every office uses. Maybe they will deploy it at their new headquarters? Many of those use RS485 for networking. Was hoping there is a color code standard for those devices...appears not to be
     
  17. ipedro macrumors 601

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    That's not a bad guess. An ApplePay payment terminal. Eliminating the clunky pin pads and making ApplePay more visible with a physical presence. Could pair with an iPad and an Apple made retail app.
     
  18. Waxhead138 macrumors 6502

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    Apple likes to protect the consumers privacy....maybe it's something that acts like geo-fencing but doesn't require the gps to be on?

    Edit: I understand a great many things don't work / don't work very well as it is now if you turn off the gps. Just thinking that Apple is building that kind of option maybe. People are mostly accepting of being tracked for necessary purposes like navigation....but wouldn't be real comfy about individual actions being tracked with in the home...if they were trying to mimic something like geo-fencing. Completely just theorizing here.
     
  19. ipedro macrumors 601

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    To all the people saying that it's a thermostat: you do realize that the wiring is shown and none of it complies with the wiring anybody has in their homes for their thermostats? It's not a thermostat.
     
  20. lordofthereef macrumors G5

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    I suppose that's true. But we haven't seen Apple do that yet. Would be an odd product to start with. Or maybe not since it wouldn't have a dedicated UI
     
  21. aristobrat macrumors G5

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    I don't see how retailers could integrate a device like this any easier than they could just enable NFC on their existing devices.

    And even if their currently device doesn't support on-board NFC, it seems like it would be less cost (and hassle, from a "who goes out and fixes it if it craps out" point-of-view) to buy the official NFC add-on for their terminals directly from whomever is already selling/supporting their terminals, ... like what Petco (and other companies) are doing with their Verifone MX860s (below).


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    Its obviously an NFC tag Reader for Apple Pay ENABLED POINT OF SALE.

    RS485 its a very common serial protocol used on POS devices.

    A POS tipically requires some ADD-ON to read NFC payment devices, inclusion of Bluetooth technology could represent an iBeacon advertising the POS NFC so the iPhone starts the Apple Pay system.
     
  24. ChrisCW11 macrumors 65816

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    Reality is more likely less interesting than the speculations. With NFC and Bluetooth this most likely could be an Apple Store terminal or display stand. Realize that the current is 100mA, to 700mA max, a very low power device, so I doubt it would be anything to do with home automation or speaker. Also Apple typically doesn't plaster their devices with regulatory stickers and wiring guides, so the real usage is most likely very utilitarian and inelegant.
     
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