Apple Sued by Three YouTube Channels

[ChrisA]

We will need better laws. Already, Hollywood films are protected from copying. YouTube is too, but that is routinely ignored.

The best solution is going to be like what the music streaming companies do with artists. They pay them. Not much, but they do get paid. Apple and the others would give a few bucks to anyone whose copyrighted work is used for any commercial purpose, AI or not.

I am even caught up in this. I place some code I write in GitHub. It has a license that says anyone can use this as is for free, EXCEPT that it cannot be used commercially. My intent is that I write this and give it freely to any users, but if you want to make money, I want a cut. If Apple wants to train an AI with the stuff I wrote and then make money with the AI, I’d ask for something like a third of one cent rounded up to the next penny. They can pay it to my favorite non-profit charity.

Watching content yourself is different from copying it and then selling it.

 

[Futurix]

So, I guess every search engine should be sued. They all read content on the web and return results. Even before AI. Keep in mind, this is public content these creators put out there and they are not redistributing it. Not sure what is unethical about this. Heck MacRumors editors go out and research public content web sites/stories and then post articles about it here. Should they be sued?

Search engines link to the original post / video - allowing creators to earn a living. AI takes content and gives nothing in return.

 

[spazzcat]

I scrolled through this channel what exactly is their content?

 

[Royksöpp]

They're going to go bankrupt from legal fees if they don't win.

 

[ForkHandles]

Account vacated.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

It was never wrong.

I watch youtube. I learn from youtube. I regurgitate what I learned. If I regurgitate exactly what I saw then that would be plagiarism. However, if I *transformed* what I watched, it's fair game (something of which H3H3 argued for in court and won).

I'm referring to AI, by for-profit companies, being trained on material without permission. Not people.

AI is not a person, legally or otherwise.

 

[jayducharme]

They're suing the wrong company. Have they ever asked Siri about golf? "Here's what I found on the Internet."

 

[schlitzz]

Someone surely needs a slice of cake and some ice cream.

 

[ThisIsMike]

“the same three YouTube channels have filed similar lawsuits against other tech giants, including Meta, Nvidia, ByteDance, and Snap.”

Ahem. Some of you really, REALLY need to learn to read the entirety of the article if you’re going to post a comment. I’m not pointing any fingers, but my toes are definitely angled in your direction.

 

[FreakinEurekan]

If I file a lawsuit alleging that Tim Cook is a lizard in disguise, will that get me on MR's front page?

Asking for a friend...

 

[maflynn]

Wait until those three YouTubers realize all AI companies steal from the internet

So that means its ok for Apple to do then.

I tried that excuse with my mom back in the day: "but mom everyone is doing it" I couldn't sit for week after that 😛

 

[9640418]

They are probably hoping for a settlement. I don't see how the courts would ever rule in their favor. How is this different from any publicly available information being used for profit? Search engines make billions off the results from every other website creator.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

They are probably hoping for a settlement. I don't see how the courts would ever rule in their favor. How is this different from any publicly available information being used for profit? Search engines make billions off the results from every other website creator.

Search engines direct you to the site. AI consumes and regurgitates without citations.

 

[gaximus]

They are going to get laughed out of court with the opening statement, saying that “APPLE profited substantially from AI” by stealing YouTube videos.

 

[RandalGraves]

Man, H3 has fallen so far from grace that it's kind of unbelievable.

 

[DblHelix]

So, public videos on a public site that anyone can view and use for reasearch yet ai is bad and the boogie man. All creators are influenced by others and some blatantly steal from others but ok.

 

[yellowbunny]

Please don't train any AI on H3H3...

 

[Nicky G]

I thought once you put something on YouTube it's no longer "yours".

Incorrect. You do grant YouTube/Google certain rights, but it doesn’t sacrifice your copyright and content ownership.

Do you think any companies/orgs would put valuable IP on YouTube if uploading it there meant they give up all IP rights?

 

[now i see it]

It’s the Apple Way.
As Steve J was quoted (borrowing from Pablo Picasso)
"Good artists copy, great artists steal"

 

[macfacts]

Wait until those three YouTubers realize all AI companies steal from the internet

that's why they have "similar lawsuits against other tech giants", apple isn't being singled out.

 

[DavidLeblond]

A little surprised how much pro-slop, anti-IP there is among these comments.

 

[contacos]

What’s unethical about learning from a public video?

You may be surprised but different things are owned by different people and you can't just take it to make your own product better without compensation, at least not in certain countries.

For instance, you can't just take lyrics of a song to train your AI. A few artists have already sued OpenAI for taking their lyrics and won

 

[contacos]

So, I guess every search engine should be sued. They all read content on the web and return results. Even before AI. Keep in mind, this is public content these creators put out there and they are not redistributing it. Not sure what is unethical about this. Heck MacRumors editors go out and research public content web sites/stories and then post articles about it here. Should they be sued?

Google actually needs to pay publishers for that and there are deals in place. I think in Germany they need to pay if they take more than 3 words from a headline for example

 

[scottishwildcat]

Dunno, cry harder? Every major AI company is training on YouTube videos.

And that's why they're suing the other ones, too.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Talk about burying your head in the sand. Do these people not understand how AI works? I mean, I feel bad for them for losing their products and such, but come on. You can't keep anything anymore.

Yeah, I don’t see them suing Bing, Google or Duck-Duck-Go for their web crawlers.
Consider AI as:
• A glorified Search Engine.
• A Synthetic Person. 😂