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Apple Sued by Three YouTube Channels

appledos said:
We're going to need some clarity in the law sooner or later. The content these creators contribute to the training model is a drop in the bucket. Their individual work is so trivial that omitting it entirely won't materially change the model. However, if we get to the point where models cannot be trained then we're going to end up in a situation where the astonishing capabilities unlocked with this technology will only be available to those with the most resources—and to those who live under more liberal copyright laws. American citizens may find themselves less and less able to leverage these groundbreaking technologies because we've been hobbled by our antiquated copyright laws.
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Some regulation is needed now. Otherwise all knowledge jobs will be gone sooner than later. And people’s work has value and they should be paid for it to be used. Just like books.
 
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I7guy said:
Definitely going to need some coffee to stay awake during this one. However suing is easier than winning.
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Pretty costly to sue Apple, so when the attorneys think they can win and take the case based on a percentage of claim award, they know they’re going to have a serious case just like the B$5+ USD to book authors by Anthropic.
 
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Hmm..but isn’t Apple Intelligence just ChatGPT and Gemini? Shouldn’t they be suing Google and OpenAI?

Seems odd they are not suing Google who also owns YouTube. Google currently use YouTube to train its AI model. I guess they do not want get demonetized..
 
Let’s not pretend that IP doesn’t also allow pharmaceuticals and large corporates to monopolise their goods and charge extortionate prices for them.
 
rovex said:
Let’s not pretend that IP doesn’t also allow pharmaceuticals and large corporates to monopolise their goods and charge extortionate prices for them.
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That’s patents. Copyright is what diffusion models (“AI”) are violating.
 
Crazy considering the extent of Apple Intelligence is badly editing photos and asking 'would you like me to search the web' or 'ask ChatGPT' to basic commands lol.
 
KillerTree said:
What’s unethical about learning from a public video?
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Publicly viewable does not mean “copyright free.”

Much YouTube content has copyright and is monetized. If it were not, I could create a YouTube channel that copies all YouTube videos, republish them as mine, and monetize it. When people do that today, they are violating copyright and their content can be taken down and the violator can be sued for copyright infringement.

Also, copyright and trademark are different. Trademark violation typically requires demonstrating damage or confusion, but copyright violation does not.
 
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Three established YouTube channels have sued Apple, alleging that the company violated the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) by unlawfully accessing and scraping millions of copyrighted videos from YouTube to train its AI models.

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In a class action lawsuit filed in California federal court last week, the owners of the YouTube channels h3h3Productions (plus H3 Podcast and H3 Podcast Highlights), MrShortGame Golf, and Golfholics allege that Apple "deliberately circumvented" YouTube's protections against video scraping and "profited substantially" by doing so.

Apple's research papers indicate that some of the YouTube videos uploaded by the plaintiffs were used to train its AI models, the complaint alleges.

Apple's actions were "not only unlawful, but an unconscionable attack on the community of content creators whose content is used to fuel the multi-trillion-dollar generative AI industry without any compensation," the lawsuit adds.

The plaintiffs are seeking an injunction and damages individually and on behalf of all others similarly situated in the U.S., per the complaint.

In recent months, the same three YouTube channels have filed similar lawsuits against other tech giants, including Meta, Nvidia, ByteDance, and Snap.

h3h3Productions is a well-known YouTube channel created by Ethan Klein and Hila Klein, and they later created the H3 Podcast. Their channels have millions of followers, while MrShortGame Golf and Golfholics have hundreds of thousands of followers.

Article Link: Apple Sued by Three YouTube Channels
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Difficult, while I do agree if ai is used to make another version of a song or painting then it’s just “stealing” but these content creators also involve others content, a public broadcast with their reaction or something of the like. That is technically the same.
 
Why they are not suing Alphabet/Google?

Their video and image generators are best in whole industry. Do they really think they were not trained on YouTube content? It looks as if they are Google’s shills, since they are not attacking platform provider.

Btw, YouTube already does ugly AI upscaling for all Shorts. It is especially noticeable in clips of old movies where natural film noise was removed and video looks so oversharpened as if it was shot with Google Pixel or iPhone
 
uacd said:
Why they are not suing Alphabet/Google?
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probably because their legal council has clear evidence of what apple was doing. Its not that they have an axe to grind against apple, but rather what is going to give them the best chance of winning. Also maybe apple was doing something more egregious then the others?
 
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God of Biscuits said:
Because if everyone's doing it...
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It's legal as long as the AI is producing transformative work, something H3H3 argued in court and won.

If AI produces plagiarism, by all means, sue.

And the point was, even if you go after everyone in USA, there's China training on these videos. Best case scenario, you ban USA companies for doing it, what about everywhere else?
 
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Pezimak said:
I totally agree with the law suits, sorry but governments literally giving free reign and removing laws for copyright material purely if it is being taken for Ai training, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and leads a very bad example.. literally invalidating laws to suite giant global megacorps and there profits.

You are talking about global corporations worth multiple TRILLIONS of dollars generating multiple BILLIONS of dollars profit every quarter, literally stealing other peoples work to generate more profits... so damn right they are going to get sued.
Apple tried to shut down Samsung using the same argument and many here defended Apple, which was the equivalent of the You Tube channels, so you're a hypocrite if you supported that action but not these You Tube Channels, although I had issues with Apple trying to claim it invented an oblong shape with round edges, and the colours black and white as they tried to claim in court....
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No one is getting rich off of AI other than chip makers, it is the latest cash burn. In the end some will make money, but not until trillions of dollars have been burned.

Net Losses/Cash Burn: Despite high revenue, many AI firms are not yet net profitable due to immense R&D and compute costs. OpenAI was projected to have a cash-burn target of $8.5 billion in 2025.
 
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