First thing I see is Apple monopolising smartphone market headline, then they go into Apple specific things that apple do that surely by the DoJ argument makes them less competitive to the android Alternative to consumers in the smartphone market.
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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This is the language from the suit. I am pretty sure the DOJ and the AGs of the 17 states know the consequence of lying in a suit that they file in a court. Not sure where you got the quote from, from MR?
What? Those grainy videos and images are a limitation of SMS/MMS. Apple didn't create this problem or even cause it to persist. The green bubbles were once the color of ALL messages on iOS, blue were introduced when iMessage messages came along to show the difference between a paid text and a non-paid one. Eventually, iMessage supported more and more functionality while SMS was still SMS.
The quote came from an email in 2013 that was outed during the Epic lawsuit. It's been misrepresented by others, including Epic, and now the DOJ.
Over 60% is a dominant position.
Cars would not be the same thing as GM doesn’t have anything close to 60% share, and there are several notable players the U.S. auto market including GM with around 17% share followed closely by Toyota at around 15%, Ford at around 13%, Hyundai/Kia at around 11%, Stellantis at around 10%, and so on.
The "store down the street" wouldn't apply either as it doesn’t have over 60% U.S. share nor is it only one of two major players.
I’m on Apple‘s side here, except for one small bit. When they created the message app, Apple rolled the SMS text stuff into the app, and texting is a key feature of cell phones from even pre-iPhone times that almost all cell phone users use. So, I do think it behooves apple to work out some interoperability with regard to messaging, and I think they are addressing that well enough with upcoming RCS compatability. The rest of it is all BS to me. They are not undercutting others on price of their products to steal marketshare, and the last I looked, they have competitors for all of their core products. The complaints from rival smartwatch makers is BS, when I look at how many apps can read and write to the Health app. It is not Apples fault that Spotify cannot convert free tier folks to subscribers. I tried a free spotify trial and did not choose it, not on interoperability grounds, but because I preferred human curated playlists over algorithms. I have an Xbox and a large 4k HDR television. I’m not signed up for cloud gaming because it is silly to look at that resolution game on my phone. To me, this is about companies with good size pies, simply wanting a piece of apples bigger pie and they are making up BS to try and get it. I support Apples message about security which was a big selling point for the iPhone. Apple did not create iOS to be just another open platform, remember back in 2007 when networked computers were inundated with viruses, keystroke loggers, etc. Apple wanted to create an alternative model that was more secure, and that still appeals to people (like me).
Apple are being investigated for anti-competitive behaviour in, over 2/3 of their markets now. Other countries are looking at doing similar.
I think people might have to think that maybe there's something in it....
I think people might have to think that maybe there's something in it....
You can still do that on the iPhone, just don’t use alternate stores…. You are not forced to.
People act like they will be forced to use other store and lose the lock, it’s an option.
I use macs but I refuse to use only software that is in the store, I prefer to pick company I trust and are not in the store.
If I were to use the store only on the Mac I would have 4 applications….
I am happy I’ll get to chose and you’ll be happy you can still use the store only on iPhones
Where does it say a 3rd party was disallowed. It simply said "Apple executive acknowledged that improving how Apple works with third-party messaging platforms would "simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones."
whereas the lawsuit says -
"Apple’s Senior Vice President of Software Engineering explained that supporting cross-platform OTT messaging in Apple Messages “would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones.”
You must be kidding right, when you say cross-platform means Apple to Apple and iMessage to iMessage? It definitely means iMessage on both Android and iOS.
Once again, thanks for the obvious... However, now when my mom calls me because her phone is borked the number of possible issues has grown exponentially.
Honestly, cannot believe you're trying to explain how this works. Nobody is as dumb as you're making me out to be.
Well, they will faee the consequences in the court when this point is raised by the Apple lawyers.
It is not providing interoperability and I do not know Android messages (text) have to have a green bubble? Is that a limitation of SMS too?
Again, we're talking about mobile OS of which there are only two major players (iOS and Android) with iOS having over 60% share in the U.S. However, if you want to talk smartphone hardware, the iPhone also has over 60% share in the U.S. McDonald's doesn't come close to that share and there are significantly more different "burger restaurants" than even smartphone makers in the U.S.
But as stated previously in the thread, that was Apple working with the Telecoms that made that happen, and likely a requirement demanded by the Telecoms.
What the heck is High Performance smart phones? The numbers of marketshare seem to keep going up and up for Apple in the US. First greater than 50, then 60, now up to 70. But in a specific segment. More expensive segment.
So, people with money prefer iPhones? That's all I get from that. While there are plenty of less expensive phones out there. If that is there angle, good luck DOJ.
EPIC tried and failed. Let's see them make something more of it.
That is funny. Because they stuck with SMS and MMS as a default messaging protocol between them. Instead of what? Picking Googles many messaging app standards? Or one day using RCS? Which they already agreed to do.
They used to be all green.
Green bubbles in court. I can't wait for this to be televised where the color of text bubbles is evidence of limiting functionality.
I linked to it on the Verge who posted the direct quote from Federighi. You can find it lots of other places.
Long time coming. Many Apple fans are excited to see Apple forced to play fair. Currently this hurts consumers and screws over developers.
Or more like a Mac from 2024.
You are not dumb, you are predicting problems where there aren’t.
I doubt your mom will install alternate store to begin with.
of course the payment providers add a slice, you expect them to do it for nothing?
however if pay with a credit card, then the store keeps less as the processing charge is higher to them.
if i pay with a debit card I still pay the same price and the store keeps more of the money.
so it doesn’t cost me anything extra to use the credit card then the debit card.
there is still going to be a payment process change in the alt app stores.
what you would have to do in the app stores, ie an alt App Store is select the app, then have which payment method you wish to use. Then charge a different price depending upon transaction fee’s are for the payment method, and that isn’t going to happen.
Ok, you seem to not understand references from one stack to another as I was describing. Apple's service, iMessage client, Android and iOS platforms.
The actual quote from the Apple executive was in regards to developing iMessage to release on Google's platform. The DOJ is claiming that they didn't want to allow interoperability between two platforms, as if they willingly blocked a standard.
"At Apple, we innovate every day "
Then why do you come up with some stupid designs, which pretty much everyone knows is a stupid design, and yet you stick with it for years and years?
Then why do you come up with some stupid designs, which pretty much everyone knows is a stupid design, and yet you stick with it for years and years?
Government making a grab of technology so they can control how it’s used. So typical… just like the EV baloney they push. Wake up people before you have nothing left to possess