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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'

This sue should be extended to Apple practices on on MacBooks also.

What government really should do in favor of customers is to require apple to build at least 1 slot for standard SSD modules, that can be easily updated by users.

Possibly also force apple ARM based chip manufacturers to sell machines with no less than 16Gb of RAM, starting now.
 
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yabeweb said:
You are not dumb, you are predicting problems where there aren’t.
I doubt your mom will install alternate store to begin with.
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Going to guess you have never had anything to do with an IT infrastructure and have never seen what a user can do?

This doubt you have about an alternate store assumes that these alternate stores will not be taking every avenue possible to convince users to use them. Text messages with hyperlinks, apps that give you instructions on how to allow the other store, you name it.
 
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Iconoclysm said:
Going to guess you have never had anything to do with an IT infrastructure and have never seen what a user can do?

This doubt you have about an alternate store assumes that these alternate stores will not be taking every avenue possible to convince users to use them. Text messages with hyperlinks, apps that give you instructions on how to allow the other store, you name it.
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I work in IT myself as well, I know how things works, but still I think you are seeing problems bigger than they are.

We can agree to disagree.
 
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MacRumors said:


The U.S. Department of Justice today announced it has filed an antitrust lawsuit against Apple. The lawsuit alleges that Apple has an illegal monopoly in the smartphone market with the iPhone and the device's locked-down ecosystem.


In a statement shared with MacRumors, Apple said the lawsuit is "wrong on the facts and the law," and the company vowed to "vigorously defend" itself:The complaint was filed today in a U.S. District Court in New Jersey by the Justice Department and 16 other U.S. state and district attorneys general. Apple is accused of violating various U.S. federal and state antitrust laws, including the Sherman Act.

In its press release, the Justice Department highlighted some of the allegations:Apple's anticompetitive conduct also affects "web browsers, video communication, news subscriptions, entertainment, automotive services, advertising, location services, and more," according to the Justice Department.

Jonathan Kanter, Assistant Attorney General of the Justice Department's Antitrust Division:The entire complaint spans 88 pages, so there is a lot of information to unpack. Stay tuned for more coverage throughout the day.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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Golly I'm super glad that the Justice Department's Antitrust Division has time for this. I'm sure glad that they must have already solved the massive anti-trust/monopoly abuses in the food industry that's jacking up food prices 400+%! Glad they have the time to spend on really super important stuff like (checks notes) messaging apps and app stores.. This is what's REALLY super important to the American tax payer that pays their salaries! Not small potatoes stuff like being able to afford FOOD! Really glad they've got their eye on the ball!

SMFH
 
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StrongArmmed said:
That's probably one of the government's claims: that the Apple ecosystem have become a technical standard and as such should be open to others on FRAND terms.

But therein lies the problem. Apple is an implementer of others standards and as such should rely on the market to "price" its implementations based on how it differentiates its products in the marketplace.

Users (and Apple's partners) have options in every arena Apple competes in. Not perfect competition because the products are not homogenous and there are barriers to entry due to the technical complexity of the products sold, but the market is fair. As such, Apple should not be required to participate in the market at FRAND terms.
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FRAND is applied where for some reason a company has a way of doing something that is the only realistic way to do something but has a patent on it.

literally there is no way to avoid the patent.

avoiding apples App Store is easy if you don’t use apple products.

as other people said even the DoJ is acknowledging other alternatives to the apple ecosystem So would be hard to argue FRAND as you say.
 
I wonder how pissed Apple is lately that all of these countries, governments and developers are turning on them.

the very same people that have made money and experiences because of Apple’s technology are now trying to make a buck and sour their name.

I admit I don’t know all of the ins and outs and Apple will be just fine… but it’s a sad state of affairs. (and no, Apple is far from perfect)
 
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"At Apple, the only innovation possible is the one we allow. We are deeply and humbly committed to our mission of maintaining the status quo and acting in bad faith for as long as possible. At Apple we are absolutely ready to die on that hill because we are control freaks and we always know better"
 
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newyorksole said:
I wonder how pissed Apple is lately that all of these countries, governments and developers are turning on them.

the very same people that have made money and experiences because of Apple’s technology are now trying to make a buck and sour their name.

I admit I don’t know all of the ins and outs and Apple will be just fine… but it’s a sad state of affairs. (and no, Apple is far from perfect)
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No, we just want them to stop purposefully limiting functionality.

There is no security justification when you can run any app on a Mac. This is pure unadulterated squeezing every single penny then can.
 
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www.cnn.com

Why America says Apple is a monopoly | CNN Business

“Buy your mom an iPhone,” Apple CEO Tim Cook said at a 2022 conference, when a reporter said her mother couldn’t see the videos she texted to her mom’s Android phone.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

By what they state publicly. I personally don't think they will get much past the Watch and NFC/Wallets.

And nothing, nothing would be funnier to watch. Then Merrick Garland argue to the SCOTUS about Green bubbles damaging innovation and locking users into the ecosystem. The horrors of bad picture and video quality across platforms. 😂
 
Absolutely about time - the hubris-ladden clown execs kept poking the bear. Greedy, greedy, AND doesnt play well with others.

Magical 8gb of ram, blocking nfc and browsers, crazy rules and 30% wack off the top...

The chickens are coming home to roost, and IT IS GLORIOUS 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

8gb/256/2024 ftw 😀😀😀😀
 
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djphat2000 said:
www.cnn.com

Why America says Apple is a monopoly | CNN Business

“Buy your mom an iPhone,” Apple CEO Tim Cook said at a 2022 conference, when a reporter said her mother couldn’t see the videos she texted to her mom’s Android phone.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

By what they state publicly. I personally don't think they will get much past the Watch and NFC/Wallets.

And nothing, nothing would be funnier to watch. Then Merrick Garland argue to the SCOTUS about Green bubbles damaging innovation and locking users into the ecosystem. The horrors of bad picture and video quality across platforms. 😂
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You didn't read enough... the jokes actually on you
 
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I read the whole lawsuit. AMA.

It’s a pile. I have screenshots of a variety of just factually incorrect information, including the original cost of the 1st iPhone.

Somewhere along the line they talked about protecting children with a 3rd party App Store….

Threaten that Apple is going to turn its users into commodities..

Complaining that you can’t replace Siri, the Wallet app. It touched briefly on Tile.

It touched on Apple opening up NFC in Europe due to the DMA.

It complained that Apple charges banks a fee for use of Apple Pay, stating that Google pay and Samsung pay don’t charge for theirs.

It shows a clear misunderstanding of the cellular smart watch issues, because it talks about having a ‘separate number’ for the smart watch that isn’t an Apple Watch, as long as you have iMessage enabled. Even on the Apple Watch it’s technically a different number. That’s just how that tech works. Same for data on an iPad. That’s how it works.

Apple undermines user privacy and security when it feels like it, such as Google being the default, and not encrypting sms.

So, those are a few things.
 
mcnallym said:
There lies a big fault here. I as the consumer don’t give apple extra money.

when I go to supermarket I have options

cash
debit card
credit card
Apple Pay via phone.

I pay be exact same price no matter which option i take.

if I pay cash the supermarket pay the bank a fee,
if I pay debit card supermarket pay the card provider
same with credit card but usually a larger fee.
Apple Pay then apple get there cut

however I am paying the same price.

same with the App Store. When I buy an app then the developer sets the price factoring in their time to develop the app, and what they want to make. when I pay then apple takes a slice from the developer, not me.
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Apple’s cut comes out of your pocket, it makes no difference how you want to describe it.

The developer may split the difference with you if they get to charge you using their own payment system, so they could lower the price. Both you and the developer win. Apple still has sold you an iPhone with extremely healthy margins, so they’ve already won.
 
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q64ceo said:
No, we just want them to stop purposefully limiting functionality.

There is no security justification when you can run any app on a Mac. This is pure unadulterated squeezing every single penny then can.
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I do agree with you on that. they do a lot of milking/squeezing.

but idk at the same time they made their platforms and want them run a certain way.

I just hope whatever changes come don’t make our experiences worse.
 
It's actually shocking how many people on this forum -- an Apple fan forum -- who are absolutely okay with an overreaching, overbearing, intrusive government demanding control over a company's IP and dictating its business model. There is a very dark, disturbing veil of totalitarianism descending on a once free country.

I wish this were the only example...
 
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