Apple Sued for 'All-Seeing Eye' Employee Device Monitoring Policy

[Yebubbleman]

The Apple apologism in this thread for these abhorrent practices on Apple's part is utterly insane. They literally will ship products with chronic failure, gut their support team such that those with more than basic issues get turned away and now it comes out that they treat their employees with a level of scrutiny the likes of which were common in fictitious works such as "1984" and the movie "Brazil" and some of you are blaming those employees for choosing to work at Apple? Do you guys even know how bad the job market even is right now?

Look, I love my Mac, my iPhone, and my iPad mini. My AirPods Pro are decent too. But I'm not going to defend or apologize for those kinds of working conditions. You gotta draw the line somewhere!

 

[vantelimus]

The Apple apologism in this thread for these abhorrent practices on Apple's part is utterly insane. They literally will ship products with chronic failure, gut their support team such that those with more than basic issues get turned away and now it comes out that they treat their employees with a level of scrutiny the likes of which were common in fictitious works such as "1984" and the movie "Brazil" and some of you are blaming those employees for choosing to work at Apple? Do you guys even know how bad the job market even is right now?

You are being hyperbolic and accepting as true claims made in a civil suit from a disgruntled employee. Based on what I know from having worked at an Apple-owned company and many other top tech companies over the course of my career, Apple is right in the middle of how they handle employees. There is no company that will look the other way if they find you publishing company confidential material in your CV on LinkedIn. There is no company that will gladly suffer a current employee badmouthing the company to others. As for requiring people to use devices which "collect and use the valuable personal data" on private machines, that is patently untrue. Frankly, the way it is described, it sounds like a lawyer piling on outrageous claims hoping to get a settlement from Apple so that his false allegations are not aired publicly and believed by people like you.

 

[DeepIn2U]

The company certainly doesn’t fail to understand. They ABSOLUTELY understand as they’re the ones that have folks on payroll to ensures the software they’re spending a not insignificant amount of money on will do exactly what they want it to do, in the way they want it to do it. The ONLY person that doesn’t understand, in this case, is the person that gave their device to a third party for them to install “who knows what” on.

There are legal premise for wiping a BYOD into a corporate realm and management.

That said every corporation and their lead I.T. staff that implements BYOD policies, and executive legal team signing off on specific's the policy are well informed including the briefing and precautions OF using an MDM solution.

I know because I've specifically was on the search, and lead tester of features implementation and feedback while working for a top 3 gold mining company in the world when switching from the old BES4 platform to accomodate iOS and Android prior to v5/6 for EACH platform. There was specific mention and discussions to these legalities worldwide and we chose the best precaution to not implement BYOD in case morons or people in I.T. with the power to wipe devices fully or only corporate data had personal vendettas of an outgoing person would/could do wrong.

The choice was corporate source, owned and deployed devices.

Yet I do agree with what you've stated.

Cheers

 

[Yebubbleman]

You are being hyperbolic and accepting as true claims made in a civil suit from a disgruntled employee. Based on what I know from having worked at an Apple-owned company and many other top tech companies over the course of my career, Apple is right in the middle of how they handle employees. There is no company that will look the other way if they find you publishing company confidential material in your CV on LinkedIn. There is no company that will gladly suffer a current employee badmouthing the company to others. As for requiring people to use devices which "collect and use the valuable personal data" on private machines, that is patently untrue. Frankly, the way it is described, it sounds like a lawyer piling on outrageous claims hoping to get a settlement from Apple so that his false allegations are not aired publicly and believed by people like you.

You say all of that like (a) there hasn't been several other claims of harsh working conditions at Apple and (b) like all that is being enforced, policed, or even complained about is "publishing company confidential material in your CV on LinkedIn", "Badmouthing the company to others", or merely having people use a MDM-controlled company phones.

Maybe look into these other claims before blindly assuming naïveté?

 

[vantelimus]

You say all of that like (a) there hasn't been several other claims of harsh working conditions at Apple and (b) like all that is being enforced, policed, or even complained about is "publishing company confidential material in your CV on LinkedIn", "Badmouthing the company to others", or merely having people use a MDM-controlled company phones.

Maybe look into these other claims before blindly assuming naïveté?

Claims are claims, ones that aren't proven. Speaking of naïveté, what would you call it if someone believed a claim in an article which offered no proof of the claim?

 

[Yebubbleman]

Claims are claims, ones that aren't proven. Speaking of naïveté, what would you call it if someone believed a claim in an article which offered no proof of the claim?

You say this like there aren't plenty of credible accounts of working conditions at Apple. This article wasn't shocking. Everyone's apologism of Apple, however, was.

 

[vantelimus]

You say this like there aren't plenty of credible accounts of working conditions at Apple. This article wasn't shocking. Everyone's apologism of Apple, however, was.

There aren't.

 

[Yebubbleman]

There aren't.

Speaking of claims that couldn't be the furthest thing from credible. 🤣

 

[vantelimus]

Speaking of claims that couldn't be the furthest thing from credible. 🤣

Please give your list of lawsuits where Apple was found guilty of oppressive work conditions. Make sure there are "plenty" since that's your allegation.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Please give your list of lawsuits where Apple was found guilty of oppressive work conditions. Make sure there are "plenty" since that's your allegation.

Claims don't have to be lawsuits. I know people who've actually worked at Apple and this is all in line with that. The fact that you need a cited list of lawsuits to prove that working conditions at Apple are hellish is a bit pedantic. But again, that goes back to my main point about Apple apologism and how utterly nonsensical it is.

 

[vantelimus]

Claims don't have to be lawsuits. I know people who've actually worked at Apple and this is all in line with that. The fact that you need a cited list of lawsuits to prove that working conditions at Apple are hellish is a bit pedantic. But again, that goes back to my main point about Apple apologism and how utterly nonsensical it is.

So, you have no evidence. Got it.

 

[Yebubbleman]

So, you have no evidence. Got it.

No, I do. Speaking to your point, Apple doesn't allow folks working there to disclose their working conditions publicly. This is the entire problem being talked about here. The fact that you need LEGAL proof to be satisfied when that's the entire crux of the issue is beyond asinine.

 

[vantelimus]

No, I do. Speaking to your point, Apple doesn't allow folks working there to disclose their working conditions publicly. This is the entire problem being talked about here. The fact that you need LEGAL proof to be satisfied when that's the entire crux of the issue is beyond asinine.

Apple has been accused of overreach in their confidentiality agreements. There has not been a finding of guilt. Allegations are not proof. The fact that I need LEGAL proof to be satisfied is because of my training as a scientist and engineer. We base conclusions on facts, not feels. The intensity of your feelings has no evidentiary value.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Apple has been accused of overreach in their confidentiality agreements. There has not been a finding of guilt. Allegations are not proof. The fact that I need LEGAL proof to be satisfied is because of my training as a scientist and engineer. We base conclusions on facts, not feels. The intensity of your feelings has no evidentiary value.

There is no much nonsense in all but the first sentence here that I don't even know where to begin. I hope you are not engineering anything that people rely on seriously.

 

[Zest28]

This guy is a clown. He works / worked at Apple and people love to spy on Apple and steal their tech. With so many stuff being leaked to the public, it doesn’t come out of nowhere that Apple is monitoring the information of it’s employees and doesn’t want to leak to the public what their employees are working on or worked on in the past.

If you don’t like it, don’t sign the contract and go work at Wendy’s.

 

[Zest28]

First rule of employement is they can fire for anything, never give them a reason.

Apple would do a lot more than just firing him if he put all his projects he worked on at Apple on LinkedIn, and companies like Samsung, Huwei, Google, …. are able to figure out what Apple is working on and beat Apple to the market.