I know people who work at Apple, they don't force employees to install anything on their devices.
They give a device, employees are asked to set up their own devices.
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Apple Sued for 'All-Seeing Eye' Employee Device Monitoring Policy
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They give a device, employees are asked to set up their own devices.
Apple employees are required to use Apple devices, software, and services, and the devices "collect and use the valuable personal data" of employees during non-work periods. The lawsuit states that employees have to agree to physical, video, and electronic surveillance by Apple, with Apple able to search Apple and non-Apple devices and other property when an employee is on "company premises," including in a home office. The Apple ecosystem is described as a "prison yard" for employees, with workers subject to "Apple's all-seeing eye" both on and off duty.
i know some friends who work there, never heard anything like this.
this is some kind of special case scenario.
i know some friends who work there, never heard anything like this.
this is some kind of special case scenario.
Tech companies are fine as long as employees don't share any information about technology, future products.
we’ll install all the intrusive apps
i know few friends who work at Apple, no they don't install any apps to monitor employees.
What are you talking about? I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make.
If I had gone for a job anywhere and these policies were put in front of me at my induction, I would be declining the job. Then again these policies would not be legal in the UK which is probably why they don't exist where I am from. Apple would be in serious breach of GDPR here.
Thanks for the input. I will take it into consideration.You said you didn’t know what was worse. I was letting you know.
Agreed on that.
And if the travel is for vacations, the work phone suddenly may run out of battery, miss the cab to the airport, and the flight altogether… I don’t carry two phones in that case.
The hypocrisy in the type of comments here though, if it comes from the same people, is that at the same time we got all the complaining about things like Apple’s 15%-30% AppStore fees… suddenly now we don’t say “should have read the contract!”.
I find the work contract to be of even more importance to not have draconian points, since it touches on the livelihood of an employee.
That’s why asking for “we own your leg and arm and soul if you work for us” is still illegal everywhere, and even if signed, it’s void.
Also, people may willingly sign half-read contracts out of desperation, especially in an economy that leaves dozens of thousands of layoffs every passing bit of news.
Yup, and all you have to do is just NOT let Apple install any MDM software onto it and you’re leagues smarter than this guy.
I didn't like the part about searching his home or having to use a personal iCloud account - struggle to accept that's true?
I had only one phone for personal + work combined when I started with my employer (my device with their SIM in it), I also used my own iPad to connect to their network which was useful to take notes in OneNote / sync Outlook work email & calendar etc.
We then moved to UK CyberEssentials certification = no BYOD & everyone was issued with a new company iPhone 11. Easy choice to move onto two separate phones, one theirs & the other all mine, and disconnect the iPad permanently. 'Their phone' goes onto scheduled focus mode 'Do Not Disturb' from 1800 through 0800 and all weekend ...
I had only one phone for personal + work combined when I started with my employer (my device with their SIM in it), I also used my own iPad to connect to their network which was useful to take notes in OneNote / sync Outlook work email & calendar etc.
We then moved to UK CyberEssentials certification = no BYOD & everyone was issued with a new company iPhone 11. Easy choice to move onto two separate phones, one theirs & the other all mine, and disconnect the iPad permanently. 'Their phone' goes onto scheduled focus mode 'Do Not Disturb' from 1800 through 0800 and all weekend ...
The only thing I'm okay with is employees being required to use Apple's products and services. It gives them an incentive to produce products they would want to use. The eat your own dog food mentality would make it hard for them to ignore annoying bugs or add useless features just because.
Y'all can't pay me enough to work under the Sauron-level surveillance and we own you working conditions.🤨 My mental health is already precarious. That kind of working condition would have me jumping out the window, most likely taking a C-suite with me.😬
Y'all can't pay me enough to work under the Sauron-level surveillance and we own you working conditions.🤨 My mental health is already precarious. That kind of working condition would have me jumping out the window, most likely taking a C-suite with me.😬
That’s not true. He had an option of using a company phone or using his own personal device for work. Choosing to use your personal device is what requires using the personal iCloud account. He didn’t HAVE to use it, and many don’t. He CHOSE to use it.
So you didn't read what I was responded to, just reacting. Got it.
Oh no, she got promoted! Yeah...was super crazy, but everyone at the store was like, good riddance. I have no idea why, but Apple hired her into the Sr. Manager position from Target, and usually they don't do that for management roles. They only promote from within so you know their ethos. She most definitely did not. Wish she would have been promoted to customer.
I wonder how many of the people who are on Apple's side have complained when they learned that companies were selling their data through their ToS, or a contract to use their service...I guess that wasn't illegal. I wonder why Facebook and those other companies were fined....I mean, the argument I keep seeing is that contracts always abide by the law. So I don't understand how Facebook had and FTC Privacy Violation and was fined $5 billion. Or how how they were fined $1.3 billion by the EU for transferring customer data to the US. It was in their ToS contract, a legally binding agreement, so I don't get it. There's also the Palmer v. Kleargear case, Harris v. Blockbuster, and one for Zappos.com and their ToS after a security breach, in which the court sided against all three.
So, for those crying 1st amendment and that it's a contract and so supersedes the law, please explain.
So, for those crying 1st amendment and that it's a contract and so supersedes the law, please explain.
False. "The lawsuit takes issue with Apple's requirement that employees use Apple collaboration tools with an iCloud account, often a personal iCloud account." They wanted you to use your personal iCloud account on their work devices.
It's like you didn't read the article, judging by your last two posts. lol
If apple had unfair labor practices the labor relations or other governing body would be on apple.
A class action lawsuit won’t determine whether apple was acting illegally in terms of fair labor practices.
This lawsuit is designed to extract money out of apple, period.
Means not always a personal iCloud account. Means only idiots used their personal iCloud accounts.
I read the article, I just don’t have an axe to grind against Apple on this and am able to read critically.
How are you OK with that? It’s insane that you think it’s OK for a corporation to control anything about your personal life
It’s insane that you think you have to work for a company, any company and not accept their t&c.
It's insane to think you have a right to a job no matter how big of a cancer you are on the workplace environment.