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Technology created this issue. Technology can fix it.

No they didn't... Humans are using technology an a reason not to focus on what they should actually be doing: driving

How can technology solve this if u are wanting to text while in busy traffic ? I don't think everyone behind will be polite enough to just wait till you've finished texting before driving on. Just because accidents could be slim chance for someone doesn't mean it's "safe" IT people reckon they, then perhaps the driving schools need to bring in how to teach people not to drive and text..
 
You know, when I was a teen, drunk driving was still looked upon as something that only hurt the driver. Cops would stop you, and then either lead you home with their patrol car, or tell you to drive yourself home. No kidding. But then MADD got started and people started realizing how many innocents were being hurt as well. However, I don't think education will help in this case.
But MADD didn't work by installing breathalyzers in every car. To the extent that they've been successful, it's been by changing public opinion to largely fall in the "driving drunk is _not_ cool" camp, and by encouraging the local/state/federal government to prosecute the crime more consistently and more severely. It hasn't been an easy fix and it hasn't been fast. If we really actually had Star Trek / Iron Man (Jarvis) level AI available now, that could accurately sense the world around it and know for certain what you were doing, then, sure, have it keep you from using the phone while driving - heck, at that point, you could simply tell Jarvis to post something complimentary about you, or to compose a witty post ostensibly from you, on FaceSnapGram and not bother with the phone. But we don't have that. We have a bunch of technology that can do little scraps and pieces of the job, and can _pretend_ it's doing more of it, but we can't accurately tell _exactly_ where in the car a phone is (the phone can't even be sure it's in a car) and whether it's the driver using it. Especially without wiring the car extensively with sensors (and then it's really a car problem not a phone problem, so why not go after the car companies).

The people saying, "well, the phone should just limit functionality when someone is driving a car," do not understand how computers really work, what they can sense of the world around them, and what they are and are not capable of doing. You can get some bits of this to work under controlled conditions, in an instrumented car. That's not the real world.

I'd be in favor of putting the distracted drivers who cause serious accidents in jail, for serious periods of time (I've long thought this should be the course of action for drunk drivers as well - there should be no "and this is the third time he's killed/mained someone while driving drunk", because that person should still be behind bars, where they can't hurt others). Make the consequences substantial and very clear to everybody. Start Mothers Against Distracted Driving.
 
Americans need to fix their legal system. The problem is that Europeans copy every American idea, since Europeans are unable to generate their won. But that means that if Americans have an incredibly absurd legal system, Europeans will do the same within a few years. Maybe only Germany resists these trends, as for car rentals, where American companies require credit cards (despite the fact that they are limited), and German rental companies might accept cash deposits and payment. Suing Apple for things like this is a perversion of a legal system that was supposed to bring justice to the people, not games like this.
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Wow, americans need to be babied like this? Just put the damn phone down and use it when you're at your destination. Not hard.

Americans don't need to be babied but their legal system is probably broken, at least in my opinion. You think Americans need to be babied? Europeans don't even have independent ideas, so they will just copy whatever Americans do, no matter how good or bad it is. And Europeans don't think. See their companies going bankrupt because the US chose to do embargo on Russia for no reason.
 
I think personal responsibility for actions needs to be emphasized.

That's all well and good when it's only an individual's wellbeing at stake, but when they can be endangering many other people I'm in favour of using systems to enforce the law. If the legal speed limit it too low it should be increased, but violations shouldn't be the norm as they are now.
 
Well I think we had a leader of dumbest idea of 2017. With this guys logic auto manufacturers should have built in blood tests for cars to see if we are ok to drive before the car will start.
 
Wrong approach. Just make the penalties for texting in driving much harsher. $1,000 fine and lots of points on your licenses so the insurance rate skyrocket. For repeat offenders revoke their license.

Treat it like driving while intoxicated, since is a what you response times are like when texting and driving.
 
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The operator of the phone is the one responsible, not Apple or anyone else. What's next? Prevent your car from starting if it detects you are on the phone? What b*!! sh*t.

Stop using your PHONE!!!
 
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A really pointless lawsuit. As others have pointed out, there are far too many issues involve. How does it tell that YOU are the one driving AND you are the one using your phone at the time. Problems with distractions started the day a radio was put in a car. Or a cupholder. Or a mobile phone. Or a cigarette lighter? It's easy to get distracted by anything in a vehicle.

The cutoff switch based on speed is definitely the worst concept of them all. What about those that ride trains, are passengers in a car, or a in a motorcycle sidecar.

The true solution to this problem is development of autonomous cars, or ban cars altogether. You need to take humans out of the equation.

Agreed. It is up to YOU. Know what distracts you. For example. My car has a radio, but I find that distracting. Guess what? I do not use the radio!
 
Android Auto is the Android version of CarPlay. In my opinion better - there are more apps and you get Google Maps (and very soon Waze).

You require a new head unit or a new car with AA. Most cars and head units that support CP also support AA.

Android Auto

As I said it locks out your android phone totally and works with any Android Phone running Android 5.0 Lollipop and above (which is pretty much all phones in the last 2-3 years).

right, but just as I have yet to see a reasonably-priced vehicle available to consumers with CarPlay as an option, I have never seen Android Auto either. And according to AndroidCentral, only 34% of phones capable of running Lollipop are running it, so even if every car had it, still only 1/3 of users would be utilizing
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Technology created this issue. Technology can fix it.

People being distracted? Really? This was caused by technology? Man riding his horse sees a beautiful woman and falls off. A product of technology?
 
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Let's sue the auto companies for not making cars that automatically pull over and park as soon as someone starts using their phone.
Car pulling over would invariably cause problems for others. Instead, let's just set up orbital laser platforms on satellites all over the US, and when someone is detected using their phone in a car, the satellites instantly lock in on the car and vaporize it. It's humane because they are vaporized instantly, no protracted death here, it doesn't interfere with the other cars on the road, and as a bonus, it eases traffic congestion.
 



California resident Julio Ceja is seeking a class action lawsuit against Apple, accusing the company of placing profit before consumer safety by choosing not to implement a lock-out mechanism that would disable an iPhone's functionality when being used behind the wheel by an engaged driver.

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Ceja demands that Apple halt the sale of all iPhones in California until a lock-out mechanism is implemented. He also demands that Apple release a software update that adds a lock-out mechanism to all iPhones already in the hands of consumers. He is not seeking further damages beyond legal fees and costs.

The complaint, filed with the Los Angeles Superior Court on Tuesday, asserts that Apple's willful decision not to implement a lock-out mechanism on iPhones, chiefly to prevent texting and driving, constitutes "unfair business acts and practices" under California's Unfair Competition Law. A jury trial has been demanded.

Ceja asserts that Apple's "enormous market share" means that it is the "largest contributor" to texting and driving, while noting it is "downright shocking" that smartphone companies like Apple "do nothing to help shield the public at large from the dangers associated with the use of their phones."

"If texting and driving is a vessel of trouble, Apple is the captain of the ship," the complaint alleges.

The complaint claims that Apple recognized the dangers of texting and driving, and the important role it should play in stopping it, in its lock-out mechanism patent filed in 2008 and published in 2014.

The patent notes that "texting while driving has become a major concern of parents, law enforcement, and the general public," and further claims that "texting while driving has become so widespread it is doubtful that law enforcement will have any significant effect on stopping the practice."

The patent describes one method where a motion analyzer would detect whether a handheld device is in motion beyond a certain speed. A scenery analyzer would be able to determine whether the holder of the handheld device is located within a safe operating area of a vehicle. Otherwise, the device could be disabled.

In other embodiments, a vehicle or car key could transmit a signal that disables functionality of the handheld device while it is being operated. To a lesser degree, a vehicle could also transmit a signal that merely sends the device a notification stating that functionality should be disabled.

In November, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recommended smartphone makers develop a "Driver Mode", a simplified interface that would prevent access to non-driving-related tasks such as text messaging, social media, and viewing images and video unrelated to driving.

The complaint comes less than one month after a Texas family sued Apple for failing to enable said lock-out mechanisms to prevent distracted driving. On Christmas Eve in 2014, the family's vehicle was struck by a distracted driver who admitted to using FaceTime while driving. The accident caused one fatality.

Apple has faced other similar lawsuits in the past. In response to a Texas lawsuit filed in 2015, Apple indicated the responsibility is on the driver to avoid distractions in a statement provided to The New York Times:Ceja himself was rear ended by a driver who was texting behind the wheel. Whether this latest complaint has merit will be up to the court to decide. Apple has yet to publicly comment on the matter.

Article Link: Apple Sued for Choosing Not to 'Lock-Out' iPhones Behind the Wheel to Prevent Texting and Driving
[doublepost=1484940658][/doublepost]It's the drivers responsibility not Apple to not text period. And it is not just Apple iPhones that would let you text while driving it is any capable smartphone. So targeting Apple is just a money game with no merit for the real problem. The person behind the wheel. Many states it is also illegal to text while driving so I think this will be a quick court appearance and they will have to take responsibility for there own actions, not Apple. Apple's iPhone has ways to use Siri or Car Play to do this without looking at your phone as well. Again this is on the user, not Apple to do the right thing. A good example is if you drink and drive are you going to take the liquor companies to court and make them invent a way so you can't open and drink a bottle of Alcohol while driving. I think not.
 
entirely possible to just disable the driver seat devices using low power rfid or steering wheel proximity sensing.

Do you own an RFID company that would sell to the automobile industry and have a lobby that could get that established as law so they have to use your steering wheel RFID chip? The costs that would add to manufacturers would get amplified and passed on to the consumer. How about personal responsibility and crime and punishment. While technology can make many things possible to do, it doesn't mean we have to do them.
 
Car pulling over would invariably cause problems for others. Instead, let's just set up orbital laser platforms on satellites all over the US, and when someone is detected using their phone in a car, the satellites instantly lock in on the car and vaporize it. It's humane because they are vaporized instantly, no protracted death here, it doesn't interfere with the other cars on the road, and as a bonus, it eases traffic congestion.

this sounds like the best solution
 
All devices have on/off buttons. The same problem occurred years ago with cell phones distracting drivers - many regions made it illegal (turn off your phone) or get a hands free solution in your car.

With smartphone it's similar but the distraction is worse (the driver takes their eyes off the road).
The solution, for now, is the same: turn off/put away your phone (mute your messages) or get a solution (like Carplay or voice texting).

The question should be: who is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of a vehicle? The driver or the phone?

That just seems like a wacky twilight zone question. The inanimate object (phone) is not responsible for safe operation of a car. The phone isn't driving. The phone can't steer, or push the brake and gas pedal.
 
right, but just as I have yet to see a reasonably-priced vehicle available to consumers with CarPlay as an option, I have never seen Android Auto either. And according to AndroidCentral, only 34% of phones capable of running Lollipop are running it, so even if every car had it, still only 1/3 of users would be utilizing
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It doesn't matter what percentage can use Android Auto or CarPlay.

The fact is Google locks it out and Apple doesn't.

And that alone is reason why this suit could well succeed; or more likely - Apple changes CarPlay.
 
It doesn't matter what percentage can use Android Auto or CarPlay.

The fact is Google locks it out and Apple doesn't.

And that alone is reason why this suit could well succeed; or more likely - Apple changes CarPlay.

And I'm sure there are plenty of people who put a ROM on their phone to get around it. Why can't people just realize that taking away the ability to do something won't always work as well as they think?

You have to start with the mind frame. If a group of people want to do something, the only way to stop it is by either taking away all their freedom or teaching them before they develop that mind frame.
 
why not sue the car maker for letting the driver drive with a phone in his pocket. The auto maker should have made a disable mechanism to lock out the driver from driving if it senses a phone in his/her pocket.
 
Seriously, that's riddiculous. Better sue them for selling phones to people that don't use their brain. o_O

OR, reform the driving school curriculum and start teaching responsibility in driving schools. Drivers should use their common sense while driving. If they don't, they shouldn't have gotten their license at all in the first place.
 



California resident Julio Ceja is seeking a class action lawsuit against Apple, accusing the company of placing profit before consumer safety by choosing not to implement a lock-out mechanism that would disable an iPhone's functionality when being used behind the wheel by an engaged driver.

distracted-driving.jpg

Ceja demands that Apple halt the sale of all iPhones in California until a lock-out mechanism is implemented. He also demands that Apple release a software update that adds a lock-out mechanism to all iPhones already in the hands of consumers. He is not seeking further damages beyond legal fees and costs.

The complaint, filed with the Los Angeles Superior Court on Tuesday, asserts that Apple's willful decision not to implement a lock-out mechanism on iPhones, chiefly to prevent texting and driving, constitutes "unfair business acts and practices" under California's Unfair Competition Law. A jury trial has been demanded.

Ceja asserts that Apple's "enormous market share" means that it is the "largest contributor" to texting and driving, while noting it is "downright shocking" that smartphone companies like Apple "do nothing to help shield the public at large from the dangers associated with the use of their phones."

"If texting and driving is a vessel of trouble, Apple is the captain of the ship," the complaint alleges.

The complaint claims that Apple recognized the dangers of texting and driving, and the important role it should play in stopping it, in its lock-out mechanism patent filed in 2008 and published in 2014.

The patent notes that "texting while driving has become a major concern of parents, law enforcement, and the general public," and further claims that "texting while driving has become so widespread it is doubtful that law enforcement will have any significant effect on stopping the practice."

The patent describes one method where a motion analyzer would detect whether a handheld device is in motion beyond a certain speed. A scenery analyzer would be able to determine whether the holder of the handheld device is located within a safe operating area of a vehicle. Otherwise, the device could be disabled.

In other embodiments, a vehicle or car key could transmit a signal that disables functionality of the handheld device while it is being operated. To a lesser degree, a vehicle could also transmit a signal that merely sends the device a notification stating that functionality should be disabled.

In November, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recommended smartphone makers develop a "Driver Mode", a simplified interface that would prevent access to non-driving-related tasks such as text messaging, social media, and viewing images and video unrelated to driving.

The complaint comes less than one month after a Texas family sued Apple for failing to enable said lock-out mechanisms to prevent distracted driving. On Christmas Eve in 2014, the family's vehicle was struck by a distracted driver who admitted to using FaceTime while driving. The accident caused one fatality.

Apple has faced other similar lawsuits in the past. In response to a Texas lawsuit filed in 2015, Apple indicated the responsibility is on the driver to avoid distractions in a statement provided to The New York Times:Ceja himself was rear ended by a driver who was texting behind the wheel. Whether this latest complaint has merit will be up to the court to decide. Apple has yet to publicly comment on the matter.

Article Link: Apple Sued for Choosing Not to 'Lock-Out' iPhones Behind the Wheel to Prevent Texting and Driving
[doublepost=1485015369][/doublepost]Real stupid lawsuit. If this goes through then I should be able to sue for people just talking to another passenger in the car their driving. I should be able to sue for listening to the radio while driving. I should be able to sue for looking at the scenery when driving a car and not looking straight ahead. I should be able to sue for smoking while driving. I should be able to sue for eating or drinking while driving. WOW I should be able to sue for everything LOL
 
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