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Apple Sued for Choosing Not to 'Lock-Out' iPhones Behind the Wheel to Prevent Texting and Driving
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There is hot water that stays on your body with steam genius. What do you think makes up steam? Very hot water and air.
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I am a guy also, have been for over 60 years. I don't put anything hot next to the jewels. I grew up on stick's and 3 on the tree.
It's not the company's fault if someone does something stupid.
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Can't argue with fact either.
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She needed skin grafts einstein. BS. How would the er doctors know how she actully did it. They didn't, they just grafted . That was my point, try thinking.
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Try reading and understanding. I did not say the pictures are not real, that is a flat out lie. I said she did it some other way.
Just because you blather something does not mean it's any more important than a gnat fart.
You have your opinion on which you post lies about what I said and I have mine. Deal with it.
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(^ Sorry I didn't mean to quote you; you are right. I meant to quote the person you quoted!)
That isn't what they mean. When connected to your car the phone functions are on the car display. You can still make calls, maps, music, messages. Just NOT by typing on your phone while driving but by voice using your car.
What? I don't need to be a genius to remember a little basic science from school. Steam is not 'very hot water and air'. Steam is an invisible gas and has no relation to air. Steam does not cling to your skin. The tiny proportion of steam in contact with your skin may condense into water, but that is completely different to having the entire volume held against your skin by saturated clothing.
What you seem to be getting confused with is water vapour - the visible clouds of airborne condensate. Even a child knows that stuff isn't necessarily hot, as demonstrated by 'steamy' breath on a cold or damp day. Given your basic misunderstanding, your stories of macho steam showers are starting to sound literally like hot air.
But anyway, you have your opinion. Don't let facts slow you down.
Don't put words in my mouth JR. Ever operate a steam plant or even an industrial steamer? Ever repair a break in a steam line? Obviously not. Steam leaves behind hot water. Period. H2 0 is what makes up steam. Don't let actual knowledge get in the way of your ignorance. School was 40 something years ago, i have worked with it a lot since then.
What is the topic at hand again? Oh yes, Steam, because it's closely correlated to texting.
Someone brought up the McDonalds coffee incident and it lead to this. But you are correct. Steam has nothing to do with the topic at hand OR the McDonalds lawsuit.What is the topic at hand again? Oh yes, Steam, because it's closely correlated to texting.
Disagree. Drunk drivers have reduced reaction time. Texters have no reaction time since they are essentially driving with their eyes closed. Punishment should be same or worse. The slaughter of cyclists, motorcyclists, and pedestrians has to stop.
Then why is drunk driving fatalities 3X higher than texting and driving fatalities? I think you are over dramatizing the "slaughter". One fatality is too many, but your hypothesis is incorrect as drunk driving is more deadly.
Wow, just jumped to the end of the thread. Are we really debating the difference between liquid and gas? Did I miss the rumor about steam powered iPhones? Was texting really a reference to steam powered printing presses? Inquiring minds...
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There simply is no data on the damage caused by cell phone use. No one can be given a test to see whether they were looking down when they hit someone or something.
What I do know is 60% of crashes where I live are attributed to distracted driving of some sort. Also, our fatalities are 60% higher than the national average. Yes, it's a slaughter. It's every day on the news, sometimes multiple fatalities in a day. Most are not drunk driving.
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There simply is no data on the damage caused by cell phone use. No one can be given a test to see whether they were looking down when they hit someone or something.
What I do know is 60% of crashes where I live are attributed to distracted driving of some sort. Also, our fatalities are 60% higher than the national average. Yes, it's a slaughter. It's every day on the news, sometimes multiple fatalities in a day. Most are not drunk driving.
[doublepost=1485151727][/doublepost]I understand how much of an issue texting while drive is. However, I don't understand the reasoning behind placing the onus on Apple for someones actions. It's like suing the auto manufactures for auto accidents that were the result of drivers exceeding the speed limits, which result in causing a persons death or serious injury. Auto manufacturers clearly have the ability to govern the automobile's speed limits, and the government can impose laws to require this.![]()
California resident Julio Ceja is seeking a class action lawsuit against Apple, accusing the company of placing profit before consumer safety by choosing not to implement a lock-out mechanism that would disable an iPhone's functionality when being used behind the wheel by an engaged driver.
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Ceja demands that Apple halt the sale of all iPhones in California until a lock-out mechanism is implemented. He also demands that Apple release a software update that adds a lock-out mechanism to all iPhones already in the hands of consumers. He is not seeking further damages beyond legal fees and costs.
The complaint, filed with the Los Angeles Superior Court on Tuesday, asserts that Apple's willful decision not to implement a lock-out mechanism on iPhones, chiefly to prevent texting and driving, constitutes "unfair business acts and practices" under California's Unfair Competition Law. A jury trial has been demanded.
Ceja asserts that Apple's "enormous market share" means that it is the "largest contributor" to texting and driving, while noting it is "downright shocking" that smartphone companies like Apple "do nothing to help shield the public at large from the dangers associated with the use of their phones."
"If texting and driving is a vessel of trouble, Apple is the captain of the ship," the complaint alleges.
The complaint claims that Apple recognized the dangers of texting and driving, and the important role it should play in stopping it, in its lock-out mechanism patent filed in 2008 and published in 2014.
The patent notes that "texting while driving has become a major concern of parents, law enforcement, and the general public," and further claims that "texting while driving has become so widespread it is doubtful that law enforcement will have any significant effect on stopping the practice."
The patent describes one method where a motion analyzer would detect whether a handheld device is in motion beyond a certain speed. A scenery analyzer would be able to determine whether the holder of the handheld device is located within a safe operating area of a vehicle. Otherwise, the device could be disabled.
In other embodiments, a vehicle or car key could transmit a signal that disables functionality of the handheld device while it is being operated. To a lesser degree, a vehicle could also transmit a signal that merely sends the device a notification stating that functionality should be disabled.
In November, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recommended smartphone makers develop a "Driver Mode", a simplified interface that would prevent access to non-driving-related tasks such as text messaging, social media, and viewing images and video unrelated to driving.
The complaint comes less than one month after a Texas family sued Apple for failing to enable said lock-out mechanisms to prevent distracted driving. On Christmas Eve in 2014, the family's vehicle was struck by a distracted driver who admitted to using FaceTime while driving. The accident caused one fatality.
Apple has faced other similar lawsuits in the past. In response to a Texas lawsuit filed in 2015, Apple indicated the responsibility is on the driver to avoid distractions in a statement provided to The New York Times:Ceja himself was rear ended by a driver who was texting behind the wheel. Whether this latest complaint has merit will be up to the court to decide. Apple has yet to publicly comment on the matter.
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True. I guess I'm just making the point that in terms of actual practical usage, it won't make much difference. At least not when Android Auto and CarPlay are not really being used yet. Sure they can change CarPlay to lock down the phone...but what about the like 95% of people who don't have CarPlay? Even when CarPlay is more common, it is likely an option at higher trim levels, so again, how many people will really have it? When it comes to safety issue like this, as close to 100% compliance as possible is necessary.
If Android Auto locks down the phone, but only like .05% if users have Android Auto, then what good is it really?
Not all cars have CarPlay and if you don't plug in your phone... broke your cable, in a hurry, etc... what then?
I just think this is legislation that nobody needs. People complain about government overreach, well here is some right now. Might as well set regulators on gas pedals to control speed at all times.
Or cup holders to refuse to allow one's beverage to be removed while the engine is running and the car is in drive. See how silly we can get with all this?
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Exactly. My car has CarPlay, but if I do not connect to it, then (by the rationale presented here) phone would no be locked down, either. I think all this will do is encourage people NOT to use something that, when they are allowed to use it however they like, CAN make using one's device while driving much safer.
Right. If CarPlay locks the phone down and is optional....Well then, people just aren't going to use CarPlay...Now if CarPlay works really amazingly and the voice recognition never fails, it could be great but we all know that won't happen.
Does CarPlay/Android Auto involve pressing buttons on the screen? If so, then what is the difference really? This is what I never understood....we draw this line at texting and driving, but is it that much more distracting than adjusting the built in radio or other controls? Personally I don't think so, but of course it's different for everyone
Yep. It does. Both do... I know this because my car has both.
I have seen it work with a Droid because our salesman had one.
So, yeah... pressing the screen isn't always the safest thing to do at any given time, either. Yes, there are voice controls, but sometimes they are imperfect.
The UK Police did a week long sting on dristracted drivers. They caught OVER FORTY DRIVERS AN HOUR USING THEIR MOBILE PHONE WHILST DRIVING!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/23/nearly-50-drivers-hour-caught-using-phone-behind-wheel/
Your argument is utterly flawed because stupid dumb drivers just don't get it! If people are incapable of controlling a machine weighing over a ton plus at 30mph plus then this is a damn good law and not government overeach one bit! FACT PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE OF DRIVERS USING THEIR PHONES!
Yes, I'd argue it's much more distracting. With the radio in the car, one can get a useful result by tapping one button (change a station or increase/decrease the volume), and there's nothing to look at other than glancing once for a fraction of a second to aim a finger at the right button (and many times one can become so familiar with the layout in a particular car that you can change stations or volume without taking your eyes off the road).
In contrast, there's basically no action one can do with receiving or sending a text that involves the same limited level of interaction (a single press of a moderately large button) - reading a text message off a screen involves looking down at the screen, focusing on the screen itself, and reading perhaps a dozen words. Sending a text involves all that plus engaging very fine motor skills to make dozens of presses on the correct series of tiny on-screen keys - your attention is primarily focused on the hand that's typing (not on the cars around you) for seconds or tens of seconds.
Keep in mind that we're not talking about voice control - yes, one can say, "Siri, tell my wife I'll be there in ten minutes," but you were specifically asking about the difference in pressing keys on a dashboard screen for CarPlay vs. pressing keys on a phone screen for texting. CarPlay both gives you big (easier to spot and hit) buttons, and it limits the selection of buttons available to things you might reasonably do in traffic.
You aren't shifting most of the time while driving a stick, so I'm not sure your thesis is true. If someone wants to text and drive, they'll find a way to do it. Automatics have been around for a very long time anyway and cars have gotten safer and safer.
know what? i'm just going to let the onion handle this whole thing: http://www.theonion.com/article/report-texting-while-driving-okay-if-you-look-up-e-32583
Julio Ceja your missing the point!
We need to ban driving all together!
Class action against any company that manufacture products - like the iPhone - that encourage humans to make bad decisions.
Also there should be a product recall on bad decision making.
People should be compensated for any damages caused by using devices like the iPhone when they shouldn't have been!
No child left behind.
We need to ban driving all together!
Class action against any company that manufacture products - like the iPhone - that encourage humans to make bad decisions.
Also there should be a product recall on bad decision making.
People should be compensated for any damages caused by using devices like the iPhone when they shouldn't have been!
No child left behind.
Impose heavy fines when people are driving irregularly and they're found to be using a phone. People will do it less often. We already have laws against improper driving, no?
My argument isn't flawed. You cannot "lock out" drunk driving, can you? Nope. I mean, unless you want to add breathalyzer devices to all cars and frankly, I'd rather that than locking out phones.
Wrong, because that's existed for a while now and everyone ignores it! Facts prove fines are not working because the chance of being caught is slim in the UK, plus the numbers of people injured to killed every year due to drivers using their phones also proves fines aren't working.
Imprison some of them and make it very public, ban them from driving for three years, then if they are caught whilst being banned impression them no questions, and that will stop it, so long as you have the Police on the roads to catch people.
I have no problem with stiff penalties for crimes committed behind the wheel that were found to be due to someone using a phone while driving. Same as with drunk drivers.
Yes, yes... a defensive drivers course is a great solution, especially those that get plowed into waiting at traffic stops. Perhaps that would be a great solution to all the worlds problems. Don't want to get shot? Take a bullet defense class. Don't like war? Try bomb dodging class.