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Another point is it renders an iPhone 4 pretty much useless, for no apparent reason other than to force the poor user to get a new phone! After seeing that fate befall my 3G, which I'd paid quite a lot for, I'm wary of premature updating.

Runs fine on my wife's iPhone 4, but I guess everyone's experience may vary.
 
Android advises you there is a download available and asks if you want to download it.

Anyway, this is about ios, cant see why Android has been dragged into it.

Jelly Bean auto downloads too.. At least my Nexus 7 did from 4.2.2 to 4.3

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I don't think so. All iPhone 4 should have the same hardware.

Running fine is a very subjective thing, I imagine that with 7.0.3 having the feature to disable the animations, iPhone 4 users are probably pretty happy now..
 
I am upset as well. I have no need for iOS 7 and don't want it, but the download is taking up valuable memory on both my iPad and my iPhone. There should at elast be a way to disable the download and free the space it used. Unless Apple provides a way to disable this wasted memory use then I think they should be sued (and lose).
 
This storage theft (for those who have no intention of upgrading) really does show the arrogance of Apple.

Anyway, I found hints on the Apple forum on how to get rid of that 3Gb file (thanks go to SergZak)

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5385718?start=0&tstart=0

My steps differ slightly and I've outlined them below (Please note, some familiarity with using Terminal and the File System on OSX is required).

1. Put iPhone in Airplane mode
2. Connect iPhone to Laptop/PC and start iTunes
3. Backup iPhone data to iTunes

(NOTE: I take no responsibility for loss of data beyond this step. It's your responsibility to ensure all your IMPORTANT data is correctly backed up. The next step wipes your phone, almost like a factory reset, but doesn't do any firmware update).

4. On iPhone, in Settings App, select General->Reset->"Erase All Content and Settings".
5. Your phone will reboot/restart.
6. Upon getting the unlock prompt, unlock your phone and do following *immediately*
7. Put your phone into Airplane mode! … the device appears to start downloading the iOS7 update. Aaaargggh.
8. Go into Settings->Usage. Take note of the Photos & Camera usage.
9. Create a 5 minute movie with the Camera App on the iPhone. This creates a file in size 400-500MB. Take a look at Settings->Usage->Photos & Camera. You should notice an increase.
10. Import the movie with iPhoto.
11. Select your imported movie, and choose the pop-up menu option "Show File" to locate the movie in Finder (file system). Take a copy of the file.

Code:
sh-user$ cp IMG_701.MOV StubRoot.MOV

12. Make several copies of the file (here I made twenty)

Code:
sh-user$ for index in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20; do cp StubRoot.MOV StubMovie${index}.MOV; done

(note: you can do steps 11 and 12 manually by using the Finder instead of Terminal. It just takes a little longer)

13. Import all the files into iTunes (you'll be wasting some laptop diskspace but that's a small sacrifice compared to stuffing your 8/16Gb iPhone).
14. Copy as many movie files as required to your iPhone, in order to fill up the storage. Leave no more than 1GB available. The iOS7 installer requires at least 2.9Gb.
15. Turn off Airplane mode.

That's it. When you go to General->Software Update, you'll see a complaint about the update cannot be downloaded because of insufficient space. Yeah. Whatever.

On a 16GB iPhone, my usage hovers between 9 and 12Gb (13Gb is the max space available), so no, i don't want to lose 3Gb unnecessarily. There is the inconvenience of micro-managing your storage space (I was almost unable to install TomTom 1.5Gb because of that unwanted iOS7 file), but at least I now get to use the space I want to.

I hope the steps above can help others reclaim their precious space.

Hahahahahahahah my god, look all the steps you have to do to avoid this problem. So if you need space you just have to delete the files? Hahahah,; it's obvious that the guy suing is right, I don't know how anyone can defend apple even if you wok for them! Is it that hard to put an option that disables the automatic download? Jesus! I hate apple in some ways, like the way they don't let me downgrade my previous devices! My iPod touch is unusable on iOS 6! My iPhone 4 is unusable on iOS 7! And before you say "dude, buy a new device" that's what I did! But my old devices were perfectly fine and now they can't be used because apple doesn't let you downgrade but of course they DO let you update them to an OS they now is going to make theme inefficient!
 
That doesn't work with iOS7. Once the device is upgraded, the factory defaults are altered to reset back to a fresh iOS7 install.

Right, but a fresh install will almost definitely perform faster. Your problem isn't iOS7, it's junk moved over from your previous state of the phone. A fresh install once in a while will do wonders. As I said, my iPhone 3G was almost unusable after updating to iOS4. A fresh install gave it a new lease on life until 4.3.x. It's just hilarious, because all of a sudden despite being automatically updated since ios5, it's suddenly a big deal now.

Oh, and the camera thing, just connect to iPhoto once in a while and import and delete photos. You have them on your photo stream anyway. If you really want to hold on to those photos, then disable photo stream to free up some space.
 
Right, but a fresh install will almost definitely perform faster. Your problem isn't iOS7, it's junk moved over from your previous state of the phone. A fresh install once in a while will do wonders. As I said, my iPhone 3G was almost unusable after updating to iOS4. A fresh install gave it a new lease on life until 4.3.x. It's just hilarious, because all of a sudden despite being automatically updated since ios5, it's suddenly a big deal now.

Oh, and the camera thing, just connect to iPhoto once in a while and import and delete photos. You have them on your photo stream anyway. If you really want to hold on to those photos, then disable photo stream to free up some space.

I believe the point was the user didn't want to upgrade to iOS 7, and shouldn't be forced to update. Since you can't run the update to clear up the space, then reset it back to the now overwritten factory defaults, a fresh install after the update does nothing to solve the problem.

iOS 7 is a big departure from previous iOS versions. It kills 3 gigs of storage if you refuse to upgrade. That is why it is a big deal.

As for photos, I only transfer them via iPhoto, I don't use photo stream. I'm sure others don't either.
 
People sue for just about anything when they're bored, don't they? :D

I think he's making the point over having some measure of control and consistency with the product he purchased and probably enjoyed. It's like taking your car to the repair shop and they decide to "upgrade" your interior with purple leather. You may like it. But I certainly wouldn't.
 
Right, but a fresh install will almost definitely perform faster. Your problem isn't iOS7, it's junk moved over from your previous state of the phone. A fresh install once in a while will do wonders. As I said, my iPhone 3G was almost unusable after updating to iOS4. A fresh install gave it a new lease on life until 4.3.x. It's just hilarious, because all of a sudden despite being automatically updated since ios5, it's suddenly a big deal now.

Oh, and the camera thing, just connect to iPhoto once in a while and import and delete photos. You have them on your photo stream anyway. If you really want to hold on to those photos, then disable photo stream to free up some space.

I did a fresh install and it still runs like crap.
 
While I don't really understand or get the need for a full on sue on something like this, I will actually say he is in the right.

While I do think people might as well and go ahead and update I understand and respect why someone would not and I won't force someone to update.

This is actually sort of a common practice on the PC a lot of people just don't realize it because most of the time we have plenty of space left over. Though Apple to do this on a mobile phone with limited space is something I don't agree with.

Though I also don't agree with the suing really in my mind. It seems like this is the same type of person that refuses to read the fine print and that would complain if they bought a 16 gig device and it didn't have a full 16 gigs of storage because it had the OS on there.

But again I don't agree with this Apple on a mobile device at all. Apple should just settle.
 
Seriously!! some people supporting ios 7 ?

Can't imagine such stupid design from apple.

Why is apple forcing ios 7 on iPhone 5 users?
Why apple is not providing an option to be with ios 6 design on iPhone 5?

We want steve jobs design which is pleasing to the eyes and easy to use and not this crappy ios 7 design.

If apple is going to do away with skeuomorphism, then there is no difference between android and ios. People got attracted to iPhone because of the design.

Hope apple realizes this very soon and provides an option for people.

Can anyone here let us know how to get back to ios 6 on my iPhone 5.
Please help.
 
I wonder why no one is complaining over Android OS updates doing the same thing.

Android OS version 4.4 was automatically downloaded to my Nexus 4 and 7 overnight just like iOS updates do. I see no way to get rid of it, I don't want the update.
 
I wonder why no one is complaining over Android OS updates doing the same thing.

Android OS version 4.4 was automatically downloaded to my Nexus 4 and 7 overnight just like iOS updates do. I see no way to get rid of it, I don't want the update.

Because that would require tech blogs to speak an ill word against Google, which will never happen.
 
Good grief!

I remember having a heads up before I downloaded iOS 7

Guess there are those that either choose not to read the literature provided, or can't read at all

:rolleyes:
 
Some of these posts are ridic. You should have a choice to upgrade to iOS7 or not. Unless apple has in their terms and conditions that you must update, the iphones should not automatically download the new iOS and take up that much space. You paid for a 16/32/64GB phone- it should be your choice how you want to utilize it!

Not everyone wants the latest and/or greatest- and iOS7 has its share of glitches too. Apple should not download the iOS onto the phone until you hit "yes" or "accept."
 
Not everyone wants the latest and/or greatest- and iOS7 has its share of glitches too. Apple should not download the iOS onto the phone until you hit "yes" or "accept."

I can kind of see the rationale for why Apple decided to automatically download the update, as this way, for people that do want the update, having it pre-downloaded means they don't have to wait for the firmware to download once they hit "yes" or "accept." But they definitely should have provided a way for people to delete the download if they don't want the update.
 
Good grief!

I remember having a heads up before I downloaded iOS 7

Guess there are those that either choose not to read the literature provided, or can't read at all

:rolleyes:
So you are saying it doesn't automatically download (not install) without your permission? Something that has been documented and is established as a fact. :rolleyes:
 
So you are saying it doesn't automatically download (not install) without your permission? Something that has been documented and is established as a fact. :rolleyes:


case in point... same literature I had on my phone before upgrading.

i still stand by what I said originally :rolleyes:

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case in point... same literature I had on my phone before upgrading.

i still stand by what I said originally :rolleyes:

On my iPad and iPhone, the updates automatically downloaded. In the picture that you posted, it simply said click to install. This is why the lawsuit was started because the update automatically downloads without telling it to.
 
Even worse, the update previously downloaded itself onto my iPhone but I did not install it, so it is just sitting there wasting space (3.3GB IIRC). Now that iOS 7.0.4 has been released, I go to check for updates and it tells me that there is not enough space to install (actually to download) since the previous download is there and there is no way to delete it (not that I want 7.0.4, but this is just stupid to have an old download wasting space).
 
On my iPad and iPhone, the updates automatically downloaded. In the picture that you posted, it simply said click to install. This is why the lawsuit was started because the update automatically downloads without telling it to.

It's an old picture (you can tell because it's 7.0, not 7.0.4). It was probably taken just after iOS 7 came out, before it had had a chance to auto-download in the background.
 
It's an old picture (you can tell because it's 7.0, not 7.0.4). It was probably taken just after iOS 7 came out, before it had had a chance to auto-download in the background.

I remember now and you are correct, thats before the update automatically downloads.

Of course the way to get rid of the download without updating is to erase all content and settings. Bad thing is, is upon restoring, this stupid iPhone/iPad automatically turns on WiFi giving this update a huge chance to start downloading instantly once again.

I had it start downloading almost immediately once after restoring during the first few seconds immediately after restoring BEFORE the phone even finished loading up in iTunes. I had to restore it again and be very quick about turning off WiFi that time.
 
case in point... same literature I had on my phone before upgrading.

i still stand by what I said originally :rolleyes:

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Seems like you keep missing or ignoring the actual main point in all of this--this isn't about installing this is about automatic downloading of the update whether or not you want that. What you keep on talking about is not related to that. Your screenshot and what you experienced doesn't change the fact that if you ignore the update and do nothing it will download (not install just download) to your device on its own anyway over time without asking you about it or you being able to remove it in any practical manner to free up the space its taking up on your device.
 
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