Apple Sued Over Not Letting Customers Disable Two-Factor Authentication After Two Weeks

[az431]

Can we sue this toilet brush for wasting people's time over such a boneheaded, frivolous lawsuit?

How is your time being wasted? Something tells me if you weren't commenting on this article you'd be commenting on a different one.

 

[justperry]

How is your time being wasted? Something tells me if you weren't commenting on this article you'd be commenting on a different one.

In your second sentence (Bolded) you say exactly that, the opposite from the first sentence.

A different one could also be something completely else like do a chore, so yes, time wasted.

 

[mylittlepwny]

That's because your biometric identity is encrypted for safety and your password is what enables it.

How exactly does that make it more secure? Would you not need an actual finger to make the biometrics work regardless?

 

[Detnator]

I guess I'm in the minority here. I think it is ridiculous that Apple won't let people disable 2FA "after two weeks". This would sit better with me if there was a more obvious "off" switch, but it's quite hidden without a Google search on how to find it. For those who think the lawsuit is stupid, let me tell you that 2FA creates big problems when sharing an Apple ID aceross multiple devices in a family. Why should a teenager's iPod Touch have it's own Apple ID when they have permission to make purchases on their parent's account? Are they supposed to have their own credit card and Apple ID at 13 years old? Imagine that when the parent wanted to install an OS update on their MacBook Pro, it sent a 2FA authentication code to the kid's iPod Touch. I made up this scenario, but this was basically my experience except with different devices (iPhones, iPads, Mac Pro, and MacBook Pro) on the same Apple ID.

I remember the iPhone / iPad settings notification deceptively duped me into turning it on in the first place (some services will not be available until you sign into your Apple ID again, or some message like that...) I clicked continue and BOOM it's on and there. There wasn't sufficient disclosure that I was even turning it on! It wanted me to "sign in again" and put in the password twice and it turned it on. The settings page didn't mention what was really going on. I couldn't find an off switch for over a week until I finally searched for it and turned it off with a few days to spare before the two-week limit. It is ridiculous... I couldn't even do something on my Mac Pro without it pinging someone in my family's iPhone for approval because we're on the same Apple ID. Yeah... the first time it did that, I took care of the issue promptly. This isn't a big deal if there's one Mac and one iPhone, but it can get messy from there.

Ummm.... You’re kinda doing it wrong. Each individual, even children, should have their own Apple IDs. Apple has family sharing and other features to accommodate the scenarios you are outlining without you all sharing one Apple ID. That would solve all the problems you’re describing.
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Yes, I'm not up-to-date on adjusting to Apple's new account practices, but I don't want to.

Well ok then but you can’t get upset at Apple for giving you a solution to your problem that you don’t want to use.

To “change everything around and create all these new Apple IDs” really shouldn’t be that hard. A few minutes for each one. You could solve your problem in under an hour.

 

[flygbuss]

I don’t get it. If you wanna use apples data service you have to follow their rules of security.
They have to make sure the data is safe, their service, their rules.
I can totally understand if you don’t agree with it but suing because you don’t like it just feels ridiculous to me.
Additional security might feel inconvenient to some, but at the end of the day we all want our personal belongings to be safe.

 

[iAppl3Fan]

Good. Apple deserves it. It's annoying not being able to disable it.

 

[Nikos]

Sounds like Jay forgot his Apple ID password and had an old number associated with his two-factor authentication. So instead of being responsible, he's suing Apple.

 

[organisum]

delete

 

[iApplereviews]

I think this is great, actually.

To be clear, I do think two-factor authentication is much more secure (obviously). But I hate that Apple is so determined to force its users into using it. If someone doesn't want it then they have the right to disable it. Plain and simple. Our devices and accounts should be ours to control.

Well they aren't forcing you to use it. It says once enabled you have 2 weeks to disable it. Certain apps and functions require the extra security.
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My favorite about 2-factor authenticating is that constantly, on my MBP and iPhone, it asks for the code, then provides the code on the SAME DEVICE I am trying to sign in on. Well played Apple. *rollseyes

That' how it's supposed to work. It provides the code on trusted devices it doesn't matter if it's the one your on or not. The point is to keep people from logging or attempting to log on to another device.

 

[vkd]

Good luck to him, I hope he wins.

 

[bb9]

Can we sue this toilet brush for wasting people's time over such a boneheaded, frivolous lawsuit?

“Toilet brush”

Ah ha ha ha.... you forced to reply, i will sue you now for making me laugh at a inconvenient time of the day.

 

[Zanton68]

Find my Phone does not require 2FA to get in. If you go to icloud.com you will see this below the login screen allowing you to access Find my Phone without a verification code. You won't be able to access anything else in iCloud there, but you can get into Find my Phone.

Also just as a 2FA backup, you can enter other SMS or voice phone numbers in there as a fall back. I have my daughter's cell phone and my home phone number in there as backups.

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Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am able to use workarounds but all of them are a pain in the neck for me. e.g. to log into icloud at work I have to got and get my phone from another room or find someone on my account (who also happens to be available at that time) to tell me the authentication code. The steps are simple but a huge pain. It's fine when I have my phone with me but often I don't. I had assumed that the code could be emailed which would make it easy but they don't. Thank you again for your help
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You can do over iCloud.com without verification code. When it asks you for a verification code, there is a link underneath , that to take you to Find My IPhone (or device). Just proceed from there.

Thanks, but what about logging into my iCloud account etc ? Can the verification be sent to an email address? I use a different PC / desk pretty much every day. The authentication code goes to my phone....which isn't with me

 

[Weaselboy]

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am able to use workarounds but all of them are a pain in the neck for me. e.g. to log into icloud at work I have to got and get my phone from another room or find someone on my account (who also happens to be available at that time) to tell me the authentication code. The steps are simple but a huge pain. It's fine when I have my phone with me but often I don't. I had assumed that the code could be emailed which would make it easy but they don't. Thank you again for your help

Yeah... it is definitely some extra effort. I don't mind for the extra security provided, but I can see how not everybody would see it that way.

Thanks, but what about logging into my iCloud account etc ? Can the verification be sent to an email address? I use a different PC / desk pretty much every day. The authentication code goes to my phone....which isn't with me

I just double checked and it only allows phone numbers and not email.

 

[Penn Jennings]

Until they're the victim of either identity or credit card fraud and then it will be "why didn't Apple protect me?".

So you are assuming that everyone is a complete idiot and incapable of making their choices?

If you can't see how problematic your logic is there is point trying to explain it.

 

[Zanton68]

Just sign up with one of the computers you daily use. It’s not less secure then using it with just your Apple ID credentials before. If someone wants to use that machine with your account the password is still needed.
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Or even better..

Thanks. I don't have a computer / desk I use daily at work. That's the problem. Basically no access to iCloud unless I have someone on standby I can call to give me the verification code. It's a pain. I'm not going to sue but it's a pain

 

[citysnaps]

I find it infuriating how I have to enter a password after rebooting (or after 48hrs for some reason) with Apple devices even though they have biometrics. Seriously why can't that be disabled?

It's a security feature to protect your data and privacy.

 

[nt5672]

I agree with this lawsuit. Apple should not be our nanny. For one, I'm grown up enough to know how I want to use my device. If I decide I do not want 2 factor authentication, I should be able to turn it off, period. Just like all of the other nanny'isms that Apple forces on us.

Apple devices are designed for children and teenagers, not responsible adults. Without lawsuits like this Apple will never get the hint; "It is our device, let us use it they way we want."

Now for you macrumor'ites that don't mind being treated like children, I'm fine with that, just don't force it on me.

 

[Detnator]

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am able to use workarounds but all of them are a pain in the neck for me. e.g. to log into icloud at work I have to got and get my phone from another room or find someone on my account (who also happens to be available at that time) to tell me the authentication code. The steps are simple but a huge pain. It's fine when I have my phone with me but often I don't. I had assumed that the code could be emailed which would make it easy but they don't. Thank you again for your help
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Thanks, but what about logging into my iCloud account etc ? Can the verification be sent to an email address? I use a different PC / desk pretty much every day. The authentication code goes to my phone....which isn't with me

That seems odd. Why isn’t your phone with you? I think most people carry their phone in their pocket or similar everywhere. That thing has your entire life on it, including the key to this issue. I would think doing that would be the simplest solution to this problem for you?

 

[citysnaps]

You should be able to turn it off but yes people sue overthing it seems.

People would then sue Apple when their phones, data, and privacy were compromised at some point in the future. With the claim being Apple did not do their absolute best to guard against that.

I have no problem with Apple's stance. For those that don't like their policy, there are loads of other phones out there with less restrictions. The solution is to simply purchase one and move on.

 

[rlarsen_eu]

I agree with this lawsuit. Apple should not be our nanny. For one, I'm grown up enough to know how I want to use my device. If I decide I do not want 2 factor authentication, I should be able to turn it off, period. Just like all of the other nanny'isms that Apple forces on us.

Apple devices are designed for children and teenagers, not responsible adults. Without lawsuits like this Apple will never get the hint; "It is our device, let us use it they way we want too."

Now for you macrumor'ites that don't mind being treated like children, I'm fine with that, just don't force it on me.

Why don't you then switch to an Android device, if you don't like what Apple do ??

 

[Detnator]

So you are assuming that everyone is a complete idiot and incapable of making their choices?

If you can't see how problematic your logic is there is point trying to explain it.

No. Not everyone is a complete idiot. But enough people are that Apple needs to accommodate for them.

As in many situations in life, the few morons ruin things for everyone else.

 

[Jim]

Why do you need multiple devices? My nephew has just an iPhone and zero issues. He has his number and his moms (my sisters) numbers as a back up.

My Mother lives 400 miles away, makes most of her calls after most sane people have gone to bed and only uses the weather app and the recent calls aspect of the phone. Multiple numbers doesn't work as a backup when you can't reach the person or they are not aware. She should really have a flip phone but like to show off the iPhone like she knows how to use it. In any case, when you buy something it is your property and as long as you are not infringing on the rights of others, you should be able to have as much or little security as possible. Apple is rather heavy handed and it has resulted in more than a few people abandoning the ecosystem because they got tired of the nagging.

 

[rlarsen_eu]

Maybe Apple should enforce "strong" passwords/pass codes - then they can be sued for that too

 

[danuff]

Give me a break.

THANK YOU APPLE FOR PROTECTING MY INFORMATION!!!

 

[nt5672]

Why don't you then switch to an Android device, if you don't like what Apple do ??

Really that is your life's logic; first hint of a problem then scream and run away? Sad!

And most people with experience realize that good buying decision are normally based on more than one attribute.