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So all that whining about poor Apple "paying extra for their technology" amounts to a few dimes per device... and is nothing compared to how much Apple gouges its own customers.

For instance, Apple charges its customers hundreds of dollars for extra storage which only costs Apple a few dollars.

I somewhat agree with the rest of your post, on the facts, but not on the opinion. Apple charges the consumers what the consumers are willing to pay, which is set by what other companies pay and the utility consumers gain from the devices. It isn't "gauging" when the market lets them... If anything, it points to just how innovated Apple really is - being able to charge a similar price for and massively profit on products competitors barely break even on.
 
Good on Apple for taking a stand.

Taking a stand? Apple colluded with Qualcomm to destroy a competing wireless standard by accepting $1B in rebates from Qualcomm for using their chips exclusively. Apple only sued after Qualcomm backed out of the deal as retribution for Apple cooperating with antitrust authorities in Korea.
 
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I was speaking about Apple being a patent troll which they certainly are or were:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Consortium
Note how they were considered a patent troll in 2012. And sold most of their patents in 2014.

Nonetheless, I do understand your point. I disagree with it, though. Apple and others buying patents from a bankrupt company isn't the same as filing for patents purely to sit on them. It's comparable to Michael Jackson buying the rights to The Beatles' music when they went to auction.
 
That's purposefully misleading.
Qualcomm is not charging Apple royalties for Apple's own technologies.

If you read the whole thing, you will see that Apple is complaining about the absurd royalty term. And, Apple's words is very clear that, the more technology they bind into each product, the more that royalty term becomes absurd, making their own innovations earning less and less value for their products.
 
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Apple gets a taste of its own medicine that it used against Samsung then cries boo hoo hoo. Apple even goes as far as being a two-face siding with Samsung to screw Qualcomm over.

Qualcomm is supposed to provide Apple with quarterly rebates, but has failed to do so for the past year because of Apple's participation in an antitrust investigation against Qualcomm in South Korea.
 
How ironic, the company cashing in the most expensive and unnecessary licenses (MFi, Lightning instead of plain USB-C) sues someone for cashing in too much for licensing, ... sigh.

These two things are not comparable. Qualcom has patents that all players in the whole industry have to use. On the other hand, Apple's products only owns 12-15% of the market, so, for Apple's licensees, they can happily play with the rest of the market, if they find Apple's license fees too high, comparing with other companies.
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Apple gets a taste of its own medicine that it used against Samsung then cries boo hoo hoo. Apple even goes as far as being a two-face siding with Samsung to screw Qualcomm over.

How were those two comparable? Samsung didn't have to copy any of those things they cloned from Apple's original iPhone, to make their own phones operable and compatible with the industry standard. While in this Qualcomm case, everyone have to license those patents from Qualcomm, to keep their phones VALID.
 
RE: charging royalties by price of phone.

This is actually not unusual for patent royalties; they can be a percentage of a company's revenue. More to the point, it's EXTREMELY common for cellular SEPs (standard-essential patents).

This was done partly in order to encourage lower prices on phones, to get more phones into the hands of the public. (In essence, companies with bigger profits subsidize cheaper phones, where $2 profit on a $40 phone cannot possibly pay full royalties.) And it worked. In a fairly short period, billions on the planet had phones.

Guess who took advantage of that huge infrastructure and market that they had no part in creating? Yep, Apple, who has made many billions in profit even after paying royalties.

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Besides the fact that percentage of price is the normal contract for these kind of FRAND patents, here are two important notes that people need to know:

1. Royalty as a percentage of sales was specifically allowed by the DOJ. I tracked down the original approval document back when this was originally questioned:

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2. Just as with taxes, Apple cleverly avoided paying full royalties anyway, by lowering the "price of the phone". Insiders claim that Apple only pays Qualcomm a percentage of the price Apple pays for each iPhone AT THE FOXCONN FACTORY, which was around $250 last time I checked on this a few years ago.... NOT on what Apple themselves resell the phone for later on, which is of course hundreds of dollars higher.

So all that whining about poor Apple "paying extra for their technology" amounts to a few dimes per device... and is nothing compared to how much Apple gouges its own customers.

For instance, Apple charges its customers hundreds of dollars for extra storage which only costs Apple a few dollars. Yet Apple only pays Qualcomm a few cents more because the percentage is based on Apple's Foxconn cost, not their final customer profit.

Yeah, just basically set up to maximise profits for Apple first and foremost and only. But that's business.
 
This is hilarious. Apple is a huge bully of a company.

But if their complaint is legit, why shouldn't they press the matter? As for legitimacy, that's certainly not for you or I to decide. Even with the extreme surplus of "expert opinion" available among the general population, and in particular among forum posters, let's leave it to the courts.

In terms of being a bully, Apple has certainly done some things that aren't awesome, but in the grand scheme, compared to other huge corporations, I'd certainly pick Apple over Google or Exxon-Mobile or the big banks when it comes to corporate morals.
 
"According to a statement Apple shared with several news sites, Qualcomm "reinforces its dominance" through exclusionary tactics and high patent licensing fees."

This is rich coming from the company who's made their entire fortune through exclusionary tactics & patent troll licensing fees.

Pretty sure Apple made their entire fortune by creating a kickass smartphone and selling 1 billion of them in 10 years. Licensing probably makes up a very tiny percentage of Apples fortune. And I'm not so sure Apple plays the same kind of games with their SEPs that Qualcomm plays with theirs. Hence why the FTC got involved before Apple brought this lawsuit.
 
This is hilarious. Apple is a huge bully of a company.

Can't there be more than one bully?

Also, calling Apple a bully is a massive joke, when you look at the way Google treats their OEMs and other software companies -- i.e. the "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" principle, also known as the "we're Google, suck it" principle.
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"According to a statement Apple shared with several news sites, Qualcomm "reinforces its dominance" through exclusionary tactics and high patent licensing fees."

This is rich coming from the company who's made their entire fortune through exclusionary tactics & patent troll licensing fees.

That's funny, because their financial statements clearly show that they made their fortune selling boatloads of iPhones.
 
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