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It's too bloody expensive! There are certainly other issues with it too but the one I liked (stainless with links) was $1400. That's more than the top model iPhone 6+.

Hopefully they will lower the prices slightly with gen 2.

Also, has it not occurred to anyone that the fact they don't believe in the product is that they didn't have Steve Jobs sell it to them?
 
Good catch. Can't be moderators kick the trolls out?

MacRumors is the troll in the first place.

Why quote some random source we know nothing about, and citing them as like being Apple...

They can't turn a profit with 1M units? It's due to their GROSS incompetence, either they accepted a price too low from Apple, or they just suck.

And ofc a company like Apple has multiple sources for everything or almost everything. For example, the A8 can be TSMC or Samsung, the screens can be LG, Samsung, and others..., etc...
 
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I'm in the "wait to see what happens with gen 2" camp. But even then if the changes aren't good enough I'll pick up my stuff and move to the "wait to see what happens with gen 3" part of the site.

Had one on preorder and was hyped for it. But I dunno, it acted like a nice cool down period and after a month of waiting I just gave up on it. So in a way that botched launch was quite good for me!
 
It's not surprising that the WSJ would run with a report like this. Again they're the ones who ran a front page headline saying Apple had cut iPhone 5 orders in half. To which Tim Cook had to remind everyone that making assumptions based on supply chain chatter is stupid.
..and making assumptions based on what Tim Cook says can be just as stupid.
He and his colleagues will manipulate the stock just as much as the analysts. When a CEO makes a speech they are very careful that you hear what THEY want you to hear. When they say product A outsold product B they do not normalise those results unless it suits them.
What does he mean by outsold? More numbers, more revenue, more profit or a combination of all three. Tim Cook will be devious when it suits him to be so I can promise you that. Please make sure you add water to your Kool Aid in future.
 
I tried the Apple Watch and just couldn't get myself to like it. I just bought a Martian Notifier on eBay for $55 and I love it. It has the looks of a classic watch and just shows me the few notifications I want to see. Maybe the Apple Watch is trying to do too much. Best part of my Martian watch...going on a week now and still haven't had to recharge it. Anyway, just a thought that maybe the Apple Watch was too ambitious and could have started smaller.

You've nailed it.

The iPad was designed to do a few things very well; to be the optimum device for those few things.

The Apple Watch does many things quite well, but is not focused like the iPad. Apple should have made it more limited in functions but made those functions more powerful.

I think we just don't have the battery tech or the power to fulfil this criteria, and don't think we will for years. That's why this feels like the Newton again—a product before its time.
 
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I guess this company no longer wants to be an Apple supplier? Let's not forget this from the WSJ, January 13, 2013:

Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts



Tell me again why we should trust the WSJ? As Tim Cook said:

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/2...rying-to-interpret-supply-chain-order-rumors/

You're so determined to debunk any hint of bad A-Watch news or comments at every turn. I'm starting to wonder if this is an extreme case of confirmation bias or maybe you're actually Tim Cook using an alias.
 
Yeah, the references to social activism and Cook's "own preferences" pretty much sum off this completely off-target post for what it really expresses. I disagree with each and every reference. Plus, the watch is a fun addition to my Apple stuff.


Having left MR a few years ago, I felt the need to re-sign up just to express my disgust for the way Apple is being managed nowadays. I still remember my constant "fights" here due to my extremely pro-Apple behavior and the sort of "fanboy" attitude vis-à-vis for instance Windows PC and Android users.

But what Mr Cook, the world's former best COO and NOTHING ELSE, is doing to the company is appalling - he is the perfect example of the Peter Principle in our corporate world:

- the decision to distribute dividends, which immediately turned Apple into an organic/ordinary company instead of a growth-based one - so what do we have? A bunch of stockholders praising the company for some short-term gains (because that is what they want) - long-term sustainability, the ultimate goal of any manager, is just a puff of hot air now;

- the decision to buy that ridiculous price for Beats, just so that we could get a few overpriced, low-quality cans, a radio/streaming service that does not work, and a couple of "music executives" and hip-hop lovers who have done nothing so far;

- apart from some great hardware work on the rMB, the level of innovation and "wow" at Apple has been falling to the gutters - everything is predictable now, and the disastrous presentations of the last keynote still resonate in our ears - Apple's zeitgeist is definitely different without SJ - I just thought it would take MUCH longer for his innovation aura to unravel;

- the absolutely disastrous handling of supply-chain/store availability issues for products such as the rMB and the floppy AW itself -EVEN TODAY people face severe constraints if they wish to buy a rMB anywhere in the world. What about the "online reservation-only" nonsense and the artificial perception of "unprecedented" demand for a wrist device that wows no one?

- when SJ was in charge, Apple created whole market segments without listening to analysts or "manage-by-committee" pundits - it just did what it thought was right, and it usually worked REALLY well. Now what do we have? Just reactions to "market expectations" like a smaller iPad (now virtually dead), a smartwatch (the flop that we are talking about now), a bigger iPhone (thus almost killing the whole iPad segment), a streaming service (buggy, expensive and over-complicated) and a bunch of backfiring, forced-down-our-throats initiatives associated with how "cool" the company should be (Iovine, Reznor, "Dr Dre" et al.) instead of naturally achieving that status under SJ;

- and of course, the cherry on top: Mr Cook's newfound social activism that makes him worry more about his own preferences than the company itself - as for those stating that the AW is a "success" because it sold more than the original iPad and so on: pure rubbish, since the company's size and market back then were not only much smaller; it was also much less exposed to media coverage and the devices concerned were being launched in fewer countries than the AW now;

- also, to compare it with the original iPhone is simply ludicrous - I remember the game-changing moment when SJ launched it, and how it simply defined a "pre-iPhone/post-iPhone" moment in the WHOLE mobile phone industry. It was THAT groundbreaking, and virtually everyone was genuinely impressed by it, even if app availability and overall performance were still in their infant steps;

- and yes: we are still waiting for updates to the Mac Pro and iMac - Broadwell, Skylake, GPUs, anything - but no: we are still with the "late-2013" MP models.

Bottom line: Mr Cook should resign with immediate effect and, at most, return to his original COO position - leave overall management to someone more visionary, more competent and less divisive on "social" issues. Even Michael Spindler would probably do a better job these days.

Note to mods: worry not, I am not gonna be trolling others around here - I just had to express my dissatisfaction at how bad the hip-hop lover CEO is.
 
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I think it does.

Apple is a very different company to the one that existed when the iPhone and Apple TV were released.

The Ipod or Iphone wasn't a smash hit within 3 month of release (or even 1 year), and this sells as well as the Ipad which was a more general product (it didn't need another apple device). It is a success by all non delusional gauge.

Considering they dominate the segment, a brand new segment (high smart watches) some even questioned the entire validity of, selling 4 times more than their main competition and people buying it love it, it's a success by that token too.

I'm tired of people invoking Job's memory again like some weird cultists.
Jobs had plenty of of fkups even after he came back and many early IOS releases were massively problematic for previous devices, like IOS 3 and 4.

Apple sells more Iphone in a quarter than they sold in the first 2.5 years of sales and dominates its competition more ever since Cook took control. You don't get that by just trading on Jobs name.

Apple has 10 times the revenue it had when it released the Iphone, so no its not the same, it can't be.
Operating a very large company which such a large scope has its own set of challenges; something Jobs would not want to handle, and could not. That's why Cook was such a precious ally and his successor.

Some people act like Cook was somehow not part of Apple's success before 2010 when he was an integral part of it.
 
As the watch only works with the phone, you could have just used the phone to pay. The watch has nothing to do with that anecdote.

Just to clarify, he didn't have to have his phone with him to use Apple Pay on his Watch:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH20767?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Use Apple Watch without its paired iPhone

Although you need an iPhone to do most things with Apple Watch, you can still do several things with Apple Watch without having an iPhone in range.

  • Play music from a synced playlist on Apple Watch

  • Use the watch, alarms, timers, and the stopwatch
  • Keep track of your activity (stand, move, exercise) with the Activity
    IL_activity.png
    app

  • Track workouts

  • Display photos from synced photo albums

  • Use Apple Pay to make purchases.
 
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The price is still ridicilous. It does NOTHING speciel. I was very dissapointed and battery life is a joke. Not even a whole day. My Garmin watch does a 100 times more, has GPS and has AMAZING battery life. I'll keep my Apple Watch, but only for testing purposes.

Considering that it lasts a whole day for EVERYONE I've ever heard review, and everyone I know. And the ridiculous over the top put down "100 times more". I'm going to call you a liar; you don't really own a Apple watch at all.
 
It's a device like the apple TV, it'll sell to those that see it as valuable. I thought sales would be just ok after seeing apple can't add value to a watch which is after all a watch. It's hard to see how anyone can add value to the concept that requires people to use it as a replacement for any other tech.

A phone replaces so many tech items all in one. The apple watch doesn't replace anything and apple attacked the fashion angle instead.

I'm still amused apple even attempted the product category, they would have been better off spending time and effort on many other areas.

Even a VR headset would have been a better idea to explore

Yes, you are amused they'll make 8-9B in revenues this year and probably 15B next year from a complementary product you deemed useless and frivolous... Man, its a good thing you or any of the naysayers don't run Apple.
 
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Yep, once they make it a truly stand-alone watch (without dependency on having an iphone), including GPS, improve battery life to 24hrs, and lower the price. The Apple watch will sell gangbusters.

It can already last 24h, most people have 25-50% when they go to bed (as per most comments on this site and most reviews), GPS has a resolution of +- 30 feet, in what way would that improve a calibrated Apple watch when you exercise (it will not, and that's the only time where it would make a difference, rest of the time you got your phone with you). As for lowering the price, they may lower the cheapest one to $300, but that's it; don't expect $200...
 
Just to clarify, he didn't have to have his phone with him to use Apple Pay on his Watch:

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH20767?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Use Apple Watch without its paired iPhone

Although you need an iPhone to do most things with Apple Watch, you can still do several things with Apple Watch without having an iPhone in range.

  • Play music from a synced playlist on Apple Watch

  • Use the watch, alarms, timers, and the stopwatch
  • Keep track of your activity (stand, move, exercise) with the Activity
    IL_activity.png
    app

  • Track workouts

  • Display photos from synced photo albums

  • Use Apple Pay to make purchases.
and not to mention the OS2 in sept with NATIVE APPS
 
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Everybody is quite sensibly waiting for Apple Watch ][.

The only reason to get an Apple Watch is to put it in the corner of your attic, unopened with tags, with the hope that in 50 years time you can sell it as a collectable. Even then you'll still have trouble beating what you paid for it originally.
 
It doesn't matter - they've made a profit and smart watches are the future. Apple will continue and improve the apple watch.

Apple will continue to pursue the wearable health aspects - is so popular - a market that cannot be ignored.

They aren't going sling their arms up in the air and give up.
 
Around a billion dollars in revenue, majority market share and incredible customer satisfaction... And that just isn't enough. This story will sit on macrumors all weekend and people will think the Watch is a failure.
The revenue is miniscule in Apple terms. The important thing thing is that we are not far from a media consensus that the platform is a bust. Tim Cook staked much on this and it will be far from the winner that he and the shareholders had hoped for
 
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I agree with you on a number of points, but I don't think we can quantify that the AW is failing, if it was, Tim Cook would be obligated to state the bad news on the financial call in.

Tim Cook knows what is going on and is navigating it the way anyone would.

Apple is a phone company with a product that is 75% its revenue. You do what you can to protect and nurture that. Keep messaging and video calling proprietary and tout features that extend those capabilities to laptops and the desktop.

Had they not gotten the head start to lock "the opposite of power users" (don't know what you call them. You know the ones, they don't even know how to use their calendar or input contacts correctly on their phone) on apple phones we'd all be using WhatsApp and Skype without question.

Oh, and apple might have been done because of it, no matter how superior anyone perceives the apple phone.
 
Don't know how many they sold, don't care. Went to the grocery store today and realized after I checked out I'd left my wallet at home and I started to freak a little (the line of people behind me was quite long) and then I saw the NFC symbol on the CC terminal and used Pay on my Watch. Saved the day! Also tracked my walk home, and controlled my music. i LOVE the Watch. Also love the look on peoples faces when I used the Watch to pay. I know that sounds a bit petty, and I'm sorry, but it's true.
Or you could have used your phone.
 
Apple Watch will be really impressive by the 3rd version. They're working on some fairly crazy biometric & fitness capabilities that no one else has.
It might even take until the 4th or 5th generation. The Apple Watch will be huge down the road. That's what so many people don't see - potential. Apple is playing a long game with a health device. That's where it's going, as you pointed out. It's not just Apple. Google and Microsoft and Samsung and others are working on the technology too.
 
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