Apple Supplier Wistron to Manufacture iPhones in India

[kdarling]

Yep, run a few of these programs personally with resources offshore in india. It just never works and is ONLY done for cost reduction... You have to manage every line of code and the quality is just so poor... Now ask why apple has been struggling with software quality.

Exactly. I've been working with Indian offshore programmers for over 20 years now. Heck, my best friend is an Indian who is now an American citizen.

One thing that been constant, is that cheap coding labor almost always means extremely inexperienced labor. And that means poorly written code, with no concept of modularity, maintainability or expandability. Which means it costs a lot more than upper management thinks to fix all that "inexpensive" code.

Not to mention the lack of reliability or robustness. Plus language and written skill differences, and the half a world away time zone.

Unfortunately, managers have totally ignored the lessons of the mythical man-month, and believe that throwing more people at a problem... even if they have no experience... somehow makes things better.

India(Generally offshoring happens to India) produces 1.5 Million graduates per year in Science & Technology and that is large pool of talent for the companies.

Almost all of your forum posts have been in praise of your fellow Indians back at home, claiming things like "most modern products are designed by Indians". Yet I don't think even you would claim that all this mythical designing is happening in India.

As for those millions of graduates, the reality (and the Indians who work with me onshore are the ones saying it) is that education and work corruption is rampant back in India. Consulting firms claim to have talent which doesn't exist. Many, many students cheat on their exams. The few who actually learned, often will make their way to other countries, as I said. It sounds like you did.

Are there some good programmers available? Sure. But not millions of them, not by a long shot.
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Do you know India and Vietnam so called third world countries have the top ranked dynamic cities. Innovation and Technology are the key parameters in this ranking. They are competing with Silicon valley.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...-world-and-they-re-not-the-ones-you-d-expect/

Bad reference for your argument. Apparently you failed to look at the source data.

The Indian cities in that ranking are there because of foreign investment and rising cost of living.

However, they all rank at or near the bottom in the third category, which is about innovation, technology prowess and sustainability of improvement momentum.

 

[Storm9]

When I want to invent the next android or iPhone I look to the west. When I want cheap labor and tech support I look to India.

In fact name one piece of Indian IP that has global reach and significance. India's largest companies are petroleum giants, and then there is Tata which has no indigenous consumer products that are globally competitive.

You re looking at the past not the future. You start st the

Exactly. I've been working with Indian offshore programmers for over 20 years now. Heck, my best friend is an Indian who is now an American citizen.

One thing that been constant, is that cheap coding labor almost always means extremely inexperienced labor. And that means poorly written code, with no concept of modularity, maintainability or expandability. Which means it costs a lot more than upper management thinks to fix all that "inexpensive" code.

Not to mention the lack of reliability or robustness. Plus language and written skill differences, and the half a world away time zone.

Unfortunately, managers have totally ignored the lessons of the mythical man-month, and believe that throwing more people at a problem... even if they have no experience... somehow makes things better.



Almost all of your forum posts have been in praise of your fellow Indians back at home, claiming things like "most modern products are designed by Indians". Yet I don't think even you would claim that all this mythical designing is happening in India.

As for those millions of graduates, the reality (and the Indians who work with me onshore are the ones saying it) is that education and work corruption is rampant back in India. Consulting firms claim to have talent which doesn't exist. Many, many students cheat on their exams. The few who actually learned, often will make their way to other countries, as I said. It sounds like you did.

Are there some good programmers available? Sure. But not millions of them, not by a long shot.
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Bad reference for your argument. Apparently you failed to look at the source data.

The Indian cities in that ranking are there because of foreign investment and rising cost of living.

However, they all rank at or near the bottom in the third category, which is about innovation, technology prowess and sustainability of improvement momentum.

There is def truth in what you are saying. I also work in tech in America and have devs from Indian consulting cos. But it sounds like you are working with one of the ******** companies. It all depends on which team and which company. You are making a lot of blanket generalizations.

I manage a dev team in USA and I have both American and Indian devs. I go to India 2-3 times a year and every time I visit it's like a different country. What you realize is that the next generation talent is a lot more skilled than the current ones. The universities and country in general is moving fast in the right direction. But it's going to take a couple more years.

Th demontization that just happened is a huge leapfrog into digital currency. It's going to far more advanced than what we have here. Just wait and see the positive impacts in few years.

 

[konqueror4u]

Exactly. I've been working with Indian offshore programmers for over 20 years now. Heck, my best friend is an Indian who is now an American citizen.

One thing that been constant, is that cheap coding labor almost always means extremely inexperienced labor. And that means poorly written code, with no concept of modularity, maintainability or expandability. Which means it costs a lot more than upper management thinks to fix all that "inexpensive" code.

Not to mention the lack of reliability or robustness. Plus language and written skill differences, and the half a world away time zone.

Unfortunately, managers have totally ignored the lessons of the mythical man-month, and believe that throwing more people at a problem... even if they have no experience... somehow makes things better.



Almost all of your forum posts have been in praise of your fellow Indians back at home, claiming things like "most modern products are designed by Indians". Yet I don't think even you would claim that all this mythical designing is happening in India.

As for those millions of graduates, the reality (and the Indians who work with me onshore are the ones saying it) is that education and work corruption is rampant back in India. Consulting firms claim to have talent which doesn't exist. Many, many students cheat on their exams. The few who actually learned, often will make their way to other countries, as I said. It sounds like you did.

Are there some good programmers available? Sure. But not millions of them, not by a long shot.
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Bad reference for your argument. Apparently you failed to look at the source data.

The Indian cities in that ranking are there because of foreign investment and rising cost of living.

However, they all rank at or near the bottom in the third category, which is about innovation, technology prowess and sustainability of improvement momentum.

I understand you had a bad opinion or experience. I prefer to think positive. I have shared my opinion based on my experience. Even if 10-20% of them are good that is huge.

Those are the rankings published by World Economic forum of course I agree with you but we have to accept that companies do benefit from those new markets. Anyway I would like to end it here.

 

[ColdShadow]

Samsung is already manufacturing it's Galaxy S series from a couple of years. I am using S6 Edge and iPhone 7 Plus, nothing inferior in terms of quality.

Your concern is over hyped.



None taken but where is the fact?

That's not true,you are talking about a phone made for Indian market only,not international market.

Ive never seen a Samsung top range phone (or any other device) made in India.

their phones are made in either Vietnam or Korea.

and many devices like TVs,etc either in China,Indonesia or Korea.

 

[Aniruddh]

That's not true,you are talking about a phone made for Indian market only,not international market.

Do they sell same product with inferior specs here?