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Whats this? People in a country with less GDP per capita than the west cant afford a "budget" phone that people in other countries on better incomes are already spewing over? Colour me surprised.
You mean like crappy tv content, a speaker that sounds good but is crippled by lack of flexibility and use with other music sources than Apple Music, or some ok sounding wireless earbuds that they made only because they unneccesarily removed the headphone jack (so they could sell you the earbuds to extract more money)
Yea, great new 'markets' like that. Hmmm
The increased screen space is pretty nice, but other than that you're right. What are people honestely doing all day on their phone? The exact same things they've been doing for the past years. And is it working any better? Apart from some speed increases, not really.
We've kind of gotten to a point where we are with computers, there's no need to upgrade every year (or 2 or 3).
maybe - I personally use an SE, but my father and brother - are very happy with their Huawei tablets and phones - and could afford iPhones, but the Huaweis do what they need for literally 1/2 to 1/3 the price.
I know there are lots of arguments for Apple - but it's important to remember they don't exist in a vaccuum.
Few things you didn’t elaborate on and are off base here:
1.) The Note 9 has been discounted to $700, but that was _not_ the original starting price for the Note 9, which was $999.00 for 128GB. Samsung typically discounts their hand sets midcycle, where that’s not usually Apples practice until a keynote.
2.) Also, you said from a ‘neutral perspective’ the Note 9 is the ‘best bang for your buck’, that’s not netural, that’s your preference and then you made the comment the XR/XS is inferior to the Note 9, Ok? Why are you comparing android to iOS? The consumer is choosing the software, not the hardware. If the consumer has ties to the Apples ecosystem, they don’t just simply walk away from the iPhone that easily as you’re making it sound.
This is not specific to Apple, its an industry wide issue.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/8/18173364/samsung-earnings-guidance-q4-2018-warning
And the bolded portion is the problem Apple has with the iPhone. They have trained their customers to have to justify going for less than the flagship model. Both the iPhone 7 and 8 are still great phones but there’s a negative connotation associated with purchasing a one or two year old model. Same with the more affordable XR (of which I’m admittedly not a fan). If someone like Huawei or OnePlus can convincing pitch that evolution is better than innovation, all higher priced flagship phones will take a serious hit.
I already find the refresh cycles very low on the iPhone and looking at competing devices I don’t think that Apple is in the luxury position to slow it down even further. A company the size of Apple should be able to push the envelope and be able to fend of its competition. Since 2012 they’ve been developing at snail pace and with every iteration upping the price.
They’ve become an expensive fashion brand without seasonal new fashion to show.
As usual we have here real old/new Apple lovers (some feel betrayed therefore angrier) and AAPL owners (badly hidden behind an Apple enthusiasts' mask) With the first group there is a chance to compare different (if not opposite) opinions. The second group speech is like a broken record.
A negative AAPL position biases almost everything
Smartphones have peaked as a technology. The only really improvements left to be made are cellular chips and the camera... big deal.
It's been a decade and smartphones just aren't as exciting or sexy anymore. No one is camping out in lines to get their new phone. People just have to accept that smartphones are now as mundane as any other tech product.
It's been a decade and smartphones just aren't as exciting or sexy anymore. No one is camping out in lines to get their new phone. People just have to accept that smartphones are now as mundane as any other tech product.
I don't know where prices are going but currently even £800 for a 128 Xr is too much for me, I used the Xr for a few weeks and decided that £46 a month for 2 years was too much at that money the device needs to last me at least 4 years but preferably 5-6 years.
I made a new PC in 2012 a i5 3570k with gtx 660 case psu hard drive etc for £660 and it still runs modern games at 1080p resolution on medium settings fine and does everything else like youtube surfing super fast(I added a SSD a few years ago for £60 and it runs insanely fast now) I still have no desire to upgrade my PC.
I wonder how Apple will continue to make insane profits when people only upgrade every 5 or 6 years or longer, look what happened to the PC market, PC last ages now and the market contracted a lot. If you price too high people go to the cheaper competitors especially when they offer phones that will take photos and run social media fine, if you want to move more profits to services you have to ensure people continue to buy your phones, or open up the OS to other manufacturers I suppose but apple will never do that.
I suppose you could continue to increase prices and be like a luxury brand and sell a lot less, like Rolex, sell your entry level phones at £6000 pounds and go up to 30 40k for solid gold versions
I like iOS and will probably continue to buy a second hand iphone from a few years ago so I can stay in the ecosystem.
I made a new PC in 2012 a i5 3570k with gtx 660 case psu hard drive etc for £660 and it still runs modern games at 1080p resolution on medium settings fine and does everything else like youtube surfing super fast(I added a SSD a few years ago for £60 and it runs insanely fast now) I still have no desire to upgrade my PC.
I wonder how Apple will continue to make insane profits when people only upgrade every 5 or 6 years or longer, look what happened to the PC market, PC last ages now and the market contracted a lot. If you price too high people go to the cheaper competitors especially when they offer phones that will take photos and run social media fine, if you want to move more profits to services you have to ensure people continue to buy your phones, or open up the OS to other manufacturers I suppose but apple will never do that.
I suppose you could continue to increase prices and be like a luxury brand and sell a lot less, like Rolex, sell your entry level phones at £6000 pounds and go up to 30 40k for solid gold versions
I like iOS and will probably continue to buy a second hand iphone from a few years ago so I can stay in the ecosystem.
My understanding is that China is a low income nation... to buy a luxury tech. product over there is none sense. I assume a lot of the other products are extremely cheaper since its built in country.
What Apple is facing with China, is the same problem Microsoft Xbox is facing in Japan. The nation is of a different culture and the 'globalized' product is not ticking over there. I believe it happened with Starbucks in Italy too.
What Apple is facing with China, is the same problem Microsoft Xbox is facing in Japan. The nation is of a different culture and the 'globalized' product is not ticking over there. I believe it happened with Starbucks in Italy too.
Apple prices have gotten way out of hand. Here in Italy, Samsung Galaxy S9+ costs, on Amazon, 600€. iPhone XsMax (256 GB, because storage is not expandible and 64GB are not suffcicent for me) is 1.665€. Comparable specs, camera not inferior in S9+, and Dex that is not mature, but very usable. The differences pro-Apple are a bit larger and perhaps better screen on iPhone, and iOS (very stale IMVHO). For me, actually, Android is not as bad... full customizable ad very fast. I can say that for me is a very very very easy choice
As an average yes - but that's not relevant..
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/01/chinas-middle-class-is-pulling-up-the-ladder-behind-itself/
"...rise of China’s middle class, which is expected to expand from 430 million today to 780 million in the mid-2020s. Although Chengdu’s GDP per capita was around $13,500 [NB this is per capita, an average, thus middle class > more] in 2016 (according to official statistics), typical middle-class living standards in a second-tier city like Chengdu are on par with those in some of the poorer states in the United States (not least because the cost of living is about half as high as in the United States by purchasing power parity estimates)."
So there are probably more people in China now that can afford an iPhone than in the USA...
NB re: culture, the Chinese (and Indians) that I have met are, from my experience, quite status obsessed.
Show me verifiable data for the “lost” Europe claim. I’ll start with iron clad proof they haven’t.
Apple just set revenue records in Germany, Netherlands, Italy, and Spain.
Europe revenue last 3 years:
2016: $50B
2017: $55B
2018: $62.5B
That’s 10% and 14% y/y growth. Source: 10K
Tell me more about Apple losing Europe.
Major Apple suppliers in Asia have been cutting their 2019 sales forecasts and some have cited an "extraordinary" drop in Chinese demand, reports Nikkei.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), which supplies the A-series chips used in the iPhones and other devices, is forecasting a 22 percent drop in revenue for the January to March quarter. TSMC said there was a "sudden drop in demand" for high-end smartphones, also attributing its revenue decline to the U.S.-China trade war and economic uncertainty.
The same thing goes for Nidec, a company that supplies the vibration motor in the iPhone. Nidec has dropped its full-year profit outlook by upwards of 25 percent after slumps were seen in November and December.Apple has forecast its own decline in revenue, dropping guidance for the holiday quarter to $84 million, down from an earlier November estimate of $89 to $93 million.
Apple has asked its suppliers to cut iPhone XR, XS, and XS Max production by 10 percent for the next three months and has implemented its own reduction in hiring for certain divisions amid the slump.
The company is attempting to boost iPhone sales by dropping prices in China and offering increased trade-in values in the U.S. and other countries.
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This free lance blogger doesn’t know difference from millions to billions. This guy should get fired for writing a false story. It’s not 84 million it’s 84 billion. Go back to school and learn to write articles
I did a sort of the 'most-liked' replies here, and they were universal in one respect: It's Apple's fault they're in this mess (and for dragging the supply chain down with it). Also, Cook's fault for riding the Jobs horse as far as he could without realizing he'd need a new horse of his own to hop onto.
This is a good opportunity for the industry and sit and sort things out like PC. Try to make mobiles modular(like swappable SoC, Display, Storage, Graphics) and make the life of any particular mobile at least for 5 years with good quality shell, components, motherboard architecture. Keep supporting the OS for as many years as possible without having to introduce new features. This way, they can manage the overall expectations, cost, operations and a new trajectory of steady growth at acceptable prices (it can be expensive based on certain specs).
Wonderful insight! Thanks for sharing. You answered a question I had regarding Apple’s content services. This forum has never pondered the existence of those services when discussing China.
Have you visited an Apple store there? I’m curious if they sell Macs and MacBooks. I get the impression that they only sell phones, tablets, and the AppleTV.
the iPhone *S releases were good incremental updates without a big huge new design, etc. In my opinion they dont have enough innovation each year other than a slightly better camera or some added function.
The 2 phones I've preferred were iPhone 4 (Verizon) and iPhone 7. The 5/5S were also great with Touch ID and the shape/size functionality.
I think in order to get more people into these products is to innovate their other areas as well, if the iPhone releases are once, 1.5 or ever other year, then make more innovations in the HomePod, Mac, watch, another product category to keep the ecosystem fresh. it just seems saturated right now.
Nope, the ones that grow double digits are the ones that deliver the same or better as Apple or Samsung for less money. Huawei, Oppo, OnePlus do and they’re seeing double digit growth in Europe as well.
If Apple can’t out innovate them, which has been proven they can’t, they should lower their prices accordingly. At the moment even the ancient iPhone 8 is more as twice as expensive as a Samsung Galaxy S9, Huawei Mate 20 Pro. Doesn’t take a genius to understand Apple is pricing itself out of the market. But as investors are more important than customers for Cook & Co, I’m curious what the plans are at Apple. Like an ostrich Tim Cook doesn’t want to face reality and still thinks he can sell years old tech at premium prices. Once all the lemmings have fallen from the cliff, he definitely has to find a whole new target group to milk.
Something in your famous pipeline mr Cook?