Apple Suppliers Starting to Ship 4" Screens for Next iPhone?

[435713]

My main point is YOU can't even USE FCP7 OR Logic's capabilities to their potential so why worry about FCPX or LogicX in 64 bit kernel?
The new versions of software will fix a lot of things... it's inevitable so I still use older versions...
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Your facepalm should have came before your post, which would imply me being facepalmed by the captain.

Does FCP7 support red cameras? I thought it was behind on the times to be honest. Still damn good though of course.

4 feet would be little big though

You got me there, egg on my face. I meant 4 inch obviously. Be cool if it was a 3.5, 4 INCH, and a 4.5 INCH, which would cover all the bases. Highly doubt a 4.5 though.

Not sure why you'd lump in Logic with FC, it's a totally different team and the app is in a totally different state. What reason is there to believe that Logic would go through the same thing FC did?

And what does any of it have to do with phones?

Nothing I wondered off course. My fault sexy.

 

[Crissov]

Display Aspect Ratio?

Apple has been said to be exploring the use of a 4" display for their upcoming iPhone.

It’s really comparing apples with galaxies (or oranges) when you only look at the diameter.

The current 9cm (i.e. 5cm × 7½cm) iDevice screen (labelled erroneously as 3½in) has a 3:2 aspect ratio, that means an area of about 37 cm². At real 4in the area would be around 47cm². 10cm screens with different aspect ratios have roughly these areas:

• 43 cm² @ 16:9 = 1._7
• 44 cm² @ 15:9 (5:3) = 1._6
• 45 cm² @ 16:10 (8:5) = 1.6
• 46 cm² @ 15:10 (3:2) = 1.5
• 48 cm² @ 16:12 (4:3) = 1._3

After Apple decided to have a 4:3 DAR on the iPad (with 480px × 320px iPhone/iPod resolution at the time) they should have used either a 960px × 720px or a 1280px × 960px resolution if they really wanted to go through with their integer multiplier resolution increases. They probably considered or even tested that, but had to use the XGA display resolution readily available.

It’s questionable whether Apple would turn away from the current 3:2 aspect ratio, and where to. Since they don’t market the devices very much for video watching, 16:9 is improbable. 4:3 makes no sense for 1-hand devices. So it’s probably either 15:9 or 16:10. That would mean the resolution would have to change from 960px × 640px to either 960px × 576px|600px or 1064px|1024px × 640px. I believe the 600px and 1064px options are as unrealistic as uncommon.

 

[Tussen69]

Why not make the phone smaller

Everyone seems to talk in the terms that Apple would make the phone bigger or that they make the screen bigger and keep the same form factor and size of the phone ..

but ... if you think different Apple could ..

make the phone SMALLER and keep the same screen size (3,5 inch)

 

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Please, can someone tell me one thing that a 4" screen is actually any good for? All I see right now is something that decreases functionality for everyone just so 5 people can watch Netflix on their phones on a tiny screen slightly larger than it used to be.

 

[KnightWRX]

Please, can someone tell me one thing that a 4" screen is actually any good for?

I find I have to zoom into pages quite often on mobile safari. A 4" screen would go a long way in alleviating this issue.

 

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Please, can someone tell me one thing that a 4" screen is actually any good for?

I find I have to zoom into pages quite often on mobile safari. A 4" screen would go a long way in alleviating this issue.

So you expect a full browsing experience on a phone? The in inconvenience of "sometimes you have to double tap when on the Internet" doesn't even close to counterbalance the inconvenience of using a bigger phone.

 

[samcraig]

I think the point is that people often don't know what they need until it's presented to them - which is Apple's forte.

Most people don't NEED a 4" screen. But if the iPhone had a 4" screen in the next iteration - people would love it. Their might be some balking at first - but overall - people would not only embrace it - but (on here) most likely make comments against Android/Windows phones saying that now those "fans" can't use that as an argument why their phone is better.

People were (and some still are) against a phone being mostly glass - and questioned that decision and the iPhone 4 and 4S have sold in record numbers.

Again - when/if Apple releases a 4" phone - there will likely be negative comments which will eventually be replaced (on here) with people talking about how awesome it is.

Is this really an accurate depiction of that debate? Arguing that a feature is not necessary or especially important is not the same as fighting the idea of ever including it...

As an example: I've used my iPad camera perhaps 5 times, each time to demonstrate the functionallity to people. I do send MMS's with my iPhone though up to 20 a year. In other words: These are nice features to have but in no way a huge necessity for me personally. I guess a lot of other people feel the same. Then again if you needed any of these functions at the time then you definitely shouldn't have bought a device that didn't include them. The same goes for the current iPhone I guess: If you need a larger screen then definitely don't buy an iPhone...

 

[kyjaotkb]

It’s really comparing apples with galaxies (or oranges) when you only look at the diameter.

The current 9cm (i.e. 5cm × 7½cm) iDevice screen (labelled erroneously as 3½in) has a 3:2 aspect ratio, that means an area of about 37 cm². At real 4in the area would be around 47cm². 10cm screens with different aspect ratios have roughly these areas:

• 43 cm² @ 16:9 = 1._7
• 44 cm² @ 15:9 (5:3) = 1._6
• 45 cm² @ 16:10 (8:5) = 1.6
• 46 cm² @ 15:10 (3:2) = 1.5
• 48 cm² @ 16:12 (4:3) = 1._3

After Apple decided to have a 4:3 DAR on the iPad (with 480px × 320px iPhone/iPod resolution at the time) they should have used either a 960px × 720px or a 1280px × 960px resolution if they really wanted to go through with their integer multiplier resolution increases. They probably considered or even tested that, but had to use the XGA display resolution readily available.

It’s questionable whether Apple would turn away from the current 3:2 aspect ratio, and where to. Since they don’t market the devices very much for video watching, 16:9 is improbable. 4:3 makes no sense for 1-hand devices. So it’s probably either 15:9 or 16:10. That would mean the resolution would have to change from 960px × 640px to either 960px × 576px|600px or 1064px|1024px × 640px. I believe the 600px and 1064px options are as unrealistic as uncommon.

Besides, a quick calculation shows that for a given screen diagonal size, you get 8% more screen real estate on a 3:2 than on a 16:9 screen.
So a 4" iPhone would get you a similar area as a 4,3" 16:9 Android...

 

[justperry]

Phones with 4" screens are huge! Difficult to fit in your pocket! They do look cool but aren't practical unless you don't carry them in your pocket.

You already have one

 

[saturn88]

The current 9cm (i.e. 5cm × 7½cm) iDevice screen (labelled erroneously as 3½in) has a 3:2 aspect ratio, that means an area of about 37 cm².

For web browsing iPhone usable screen is actually smaller then 3.5" due to the top and bottom bars. On Android phones browser runs in full screen mode hiding those bars automatically. iPhone browser does not run in full screen making even bigger difference in the usable screen size.

 

[bpaluzzi]

The current 9cm (i.e. 5cm × 7½cm) iDevice screen (labelled erroneously as 3½in) has a 3:2 aspect ratio, that means an area of about 37 cm².

What do you mean erroneously? It's not 9cm. It's 89mm, which is 3.50 inches.

 

[GorgonPhone]

I've seen the bigger-screened phones and they are too damn big. They are like carrying a 17" laptop around.

did you type that with a straight face???

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A 4 inch screen will not make the device any larger than it is right now if done correctly. At MOST 1 millimeter larger, maybe even thinner. 3.5 > 4 inch is really not that big of a change and a much welcomed upgrade.

exactly...

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I think a 4" iPhone screen is inevitable. I actually held my buddies Google Nexus One with a 4" screen and feels perfect in your hand and in your pocket.

i wanted that phone soooo bad... but tmobile is lame as hell...

 

[rjohnstone]

Phones with 4" screens are huge! Difficult to fit in your pocket! They do look cool but aren't practical unless you don't carry them in your pocket.

Yeah because 2mm difference in size is HUGE
The difference in size between my Motorola Atrix and my wife's iPhone 4 is a couple of millimeters at best.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

Pants pocket I assume. You must have baggy pants or oversize pants. Half of the population will have a problem with this, but I understand. No one is holding you back. Go for that DROID or Galaxy, and make us proud.

The Samsung note fits nicely in normal pants pockets. It is wider then an average smartphone but the actual thickness is very slim. Maybe if you spent time researching the competition instead of making biased statements you would understand.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Yeah because 2mm difference in size is HUGE
The difference in size between my Motorola Atrix and my wife's iPhone 4 is a couple of millimeters at best.

2 millimeters taller, but over 4.5 mm wider. It's over 8% wider than an iPhone, which is non-negligible.

Also, as has been noted multiple times before, the iPhone uses a 3:2 aspect ratio, which means that going to a 4" diagonal screen will make a phone that is significantly larger than the current Android (16:9 aspect ratio) 4" diagonal screens.

 

[rjohnstone]

2 millimeters taller, but over 4.5 mm wider. It's over 8% wider than an iPhone, which is non-negligible.

The real test... hold both in your hand.
The difference is negligible.

Atrix 4G 63.5 x 117.75 x 10.95 mm
iPhone 4 58.6 x 115.2 x 9.3 mm

 

[bpaluzzi]

The real test... hold both in your hand.
The difference is negligible.

Atrix 4G 63.5 x 117.75 x 10.95 mm
iPhone 4 58.6 x 115.2 x 9.3 mm

Atrix volume: 81,875 mm^3
iPhone volume: 62,782 mm^3

The Atrix is over 30% larger, overall (by volume).

That's a significantly larger phone.

And, once again, the 4" iPhone would need to be larger than that, due to the aspect ratio differences.

 

[Crissov]

What do you mean erroneously? It's not 9cm. It's 89mm, which is 3.50 inches.

See comparison at Wikipedia. Anyhow, it hardly matters.

Besides, a quick calculation shows that for a given screen diagonal size, you get 8% more screen real estate on a 3:2 than on a 16:9 screen.

Yes, they’re in a 312:337 relation, but usually you’d have the choice to either keep the width or height and not the diameter. From 5cm * 7.5cm = 37.5 cm² @ 3:2 with constant width you get 44.4 cm² (+18%) and with constant height 31.6 cm² (–16%) @ 16:9.

 

[bpaluzzi]

See comparison at Wikipedia. Anyhow, it hardly matters.

That page says, as I did, that it's 3.5". The opposite of what you said.

Yes, they’re in a 312:337 relation, but usually you’d have the choice to either keep the width or height and not the diameter. From 5cm * 7.5cm = 37.5 cm² @ 3:2 with constant width you get 44.4 cm² (+18%) and with constant height 31.6 cm² (–16%) @ 16:9.

I have no idea what this sentence said, but none of it makes sense. If you keep the aspect ratio the same, you can't choose to change only one or the other (height / width). Screen sizes are measured by diagonal measurements, and at a given aspect ratio, a given diagonal will always produce the exact same height + width measurements.

Also, rectangles have diagonals, not diameters. Diameters are found in circles.

 

[rjohnstone]

Atrix volume: 81,875 mm^3
iPhone volume: 62,782 mm^3

The Atrix is over 30% larger, overall (by volume).

That's a significantly larger phone.

And, once again, the 4" iPhone would need to be larger than that, due to the aspect ratio differences.

Again... hold both in your hands.
Saying it is "a significantly larger phone" is a stretch.

 

[bpaluzzi]

Again... hold both in your hands.
Saying it is "a significantly larger phone" is a stretch.

I have held it in my hand. It's a bigger phone. It takes up 30% more space in your pocket. That's almost a third bigger. Not sure how you can argue with that.

 

[thenerdal]

I have held it in my hand. It's a bigger phone. It takes up 30% more space in your pocket. That's almost a third bigger. Not sure how you can argue with that.

I can tell your lying. It's not that big of a phone compared to the iPhone.

Look at the picture. It looks nearly identical in height and width. A bit bigger, but by much and unless you have a pocket that is custom made to carry an iPhone and only and iPhone, then you won't have nothing to worry about.

It is a bit thicker, which is why the volume of the Atrix is bigger, because of the thickness.

 

[bpaluzzi]

I can tell your lying. It's not that big of a phone compared to the iPhone.

Look at the picture. It looks nearly identical in height and width. A bit bigger, but by much and unless you have a pocket that is custom made to carry an iPhone and only and iPhone, then you won't have nothing to worry about.

It is a bit thicker, which is why the volume of the Atrix is bigger, because of the thickness.

Yup, I'm lying. I'm using that new lying math. In fact, I'm such a good liar I've even managed to change math when you use it. That's impressive lying skills.

And seriously, up votes? Are you people serious? It's math.



The Atrix is 30% larger. That's a fact. Not an opinion. And the thickness is the closest measurement. The width and height both have bigger differences.

Edit: Atrix is 30% larger, but iPhone is not 30% smaller.

 

[thenerdal]

Yup, I'm lying. I'm using that new lying math. In fact, I'm such a good liar I've even managed to change math when you use it. That's impressive lying skills.

And seriously, up votes? Are you people serious? It's math.

The iPhone is 30% smaller. That's a fact. Not an opinion. And the thickness is the closest measurement. The width and height both have bigger differences.

It is, by volume, bigger, but if you physically look and/or hold both, you won't notice a huge difference in size..

The 3GS is a bigger phone by volume, but it's not a whole lot bigger then the 4S when you're holding it.

This is why you can't use volume to compare phones.

 

[ericrwalker]

I have held it in my hand. It's a bigger phone. It takes up 30% more space in your pocket. That's almost a third bigger. Not sure how you can argue with that.

Using facts, math and science doesn't work with the general public. You have to tell them it's a health hazard or bad for the environment to get them to believe you.


Not to mention, I don't use a case on my iPhone because I feel it's too big with the case on. I only use it when I am doing something where I might break it, Like Skiing.