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...the only way that this "hacker" would have had AppleCare assist in resetting the password would be if the "hacker" knew way more about Mat's personal info than Mat should have EVER let into the public.

Do we know with certainty that the information wasn't simply given to (or allowed to get to) the "hacker"?

Honestly, this whole things sounds like a click-generating con job.
 
update:

http://www.emptyage.com/post/28679875595/yes-i-was-hacked-hard

I now know how it happened, basically start to finish, which I’ll explain in a story on Wired tomorrow (Monday, August 6). Apple tech support is working on recovering my data (thanks guys!) from my Macbook, but I won’t know how successful that was until Monday. According to what the told me last night, the wipe stopped (by powering down) before it got far enough along to start over-writing, so I am hopeful. Via AppleCare, I was able to confirm the hacker’s account of how he got access to my account. I have an email in to Tim Cook and Apple PR, and want to give them a chance to respond (and make changes). I want to give the company a little more time to look at its internal processes, but should be as simple as a policy change. So far, I haven’t received any acknowledgement from Apple corporate. I did, however, get an urgent call from AppleCare ten minutes after emailing Mr. Cook, informing me that my situation had been escalated and there is now only one person at Apple who can make changes to my account. So I gather corporate is aware of what happened and looking into how to most effectively respond to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
 
Don't have one account to rule them all...

Smarter to have them compartmentalized. Have one account for email, one for iTunes store, and one for findmyicrap.

Many reasons for this.

1. To prevent what just happened. Hacking into iCloud mail account would make it harder, but not impossible, to do damage on other accounts.
2. You can share an iTunes store account with family without having to share email.
3. You can add idevices to findmyicrap that don't have to be yours. For example, my wife and I use this account, which really helps us find the other person in an emergency, locate the other person's phone, or even force an important text to them even if there is spotty cell coverage or the ringer is off and they aren't paying attention.

Now, could this jerk have forced his way into all 3? Probably, but the random person isn't going to know that all 3 exist in most cases, unless they really scour your inbox for clues, as long as you don't stupidly list them in your personal contact.
 
This story is troublesome to read, but since this is Gizmodo were talking about after all, I wonder if the password was KARMA.
 
Here's one idea. Apple should allow customers to flag their accounts in such a way that no matter who calls in and proves they are that person, Apple is to, under no circumstances, give out the password or reset the account password for that user. You lose it, too bad. Burn it down and start over.
 
Not just Mac OS. I remember when Windows XP came out, pre SP1. Not a single warning or pop up preventing you from opening any EXE you could get your hands on. Now with SP3, you get like 3-4 warnings from the time you click download til the time the application actually opens. Add one more for Vista/7. And there is absolutely no way to turn off the file warnings.

Don't use IE, and set the UAC down to the lowest (not off) level. You'll get one warning when you run an .exe file that intends on elevating to administrator.

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Here's one idea. Apple should allow customers to flag their accounts in such a way that no matter who calls in and proves they are that person, Apple is to, under no circumstances, give out the password or reset the account password for that user. You lose it, too bad. Burn it down and start over.

That's pretty much what Lastpass (and I assume 1password and the rest) does. They state right up front that they do not keep track of your master password. You lose it, they can't get it back for you, and you're screwed.
 
Take away everyone's digital worlds and store them all in one place: what could possibly go wrong with that plan.
 
I feel bad for Mat, but am glad it happened to someone with "high profile." Hopefully Apple will make necessary changes to prevent this kind of breach.
 
I do worry that the security needed to protect in an integrated world will become too burdensome, and despite it all there will always be human error.

And then when it goes wrong many will blame.

I'm responsible for my information. No one else.
 
Dude had no backups? Are you kidding me? IMO that is the scariest part of this story; to think that somebody doesn't have enough common sense to back-up data. Makes me shiver!

Is not iCloud supposed to be automatically backed up? If you use the cloud and then still have to do manual back ups, do you really need such cloud?

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This guy needs to learn to protect his info better

There is a better way - do not keep your data with companies that do not care about security (like Apple).
 
When is a backup not a backup? When it's online. The hacker wiped all three devices. Only an offline backup will protect you. http://seacliffpartners.com/wordpress/?p=867

No doubt. iCloud, MobileMe, any service, can wipe your device by accident. Your data can also be accidentally destroyed by syncing with a "corrupt" device. Relying on Apple to preserve your data is waiting for a disaster.

The cloud makes syncing convenient, but it's not someplace to rely on for 100% data protection.

Now you could also backup to a cloud storage independent of Apple, where there is no sync involved. If you manually do it, it's in two places and having your data automatically deleted because it's not the "newest" version is not going to happen unless you make that mistake yourself. And in that case, nobody can help you anyway because you don't know what you are doing.

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I do worry that the security needed to protect in an integrated world will become too burdensome, and despite it all there will always be human error.

And then when it goes wrong many will blame.

I'm responsible for my information. No one else.

Not only that, but this world we are creating is too difficult for anyone over 60 to keep up with, yet they are being asked to, or forced to, by their banks, brokers, etc. They can't handle passwords well, so they use simple ones, write them down on their desk where people (nurses, housekeepers, children, whoever) can see them and exploit them, etc. It's a situation where security for those who can't handle the digital age has taken many steps backward.
 
This is yet another reason to have an on site backup, but the problem is if you can remotely wipe device then is it possible to wipe attached backups like Time Machine?

Sorry I haven't read all of the last 378 posts...
 
I saw Gizmodo and my next thought was that it couldn't have happened to an employee of a better organization.
 
Is not iCloud supposed to be automatically backed up? If you use the cloud and then still have to do manual back ups, do you really need such cloud?

It doesn't backup everything on the computer. Also you also do offline backups and not rely solely on providers whether that's Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.
 
This!
If you use the cloud and then still have to do manual back ups, do you really need such cloud?
Tyhe question of backups is hotly debated. Arguably, Honan did have backups, he had multiple devices and cloud storage (or at least the opportunity to backup to the cloud). None of that matters if the cloud account is hacked or otherwise compromised.

I trust only backups that I have in my own keeping (either onsite or offsite). I've never been convinced about the cloud, and this makes me even more wary.
 
Notwithstanding he should have had his own backup, wouldn't it makes sense for apple to have a separate backup of an iCloud account that lasts for a couple of days longer than an immediately deleted account.

Or even an undelete for individual files that lasts a day.

There will probably be a shedload of users who won't back up an icloud account.
 
Beware of Gizmodo/Apple's prior relationship

ICloud definitely needs to improve its security design. Especially consider using client side encryption. And maybe Apple should never have a way to reset user password's at all.

Nevertheless we should be aware of Gizmodo's prior relationship with Apple which turned sour.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20003446-37.html.

So the question is

1. Did he give very available public information as his password recovery answers?

2. Who is to know if he was the one who did call Apple and ask for a reset and this is all a getting back drama?
 
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