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Apple Surveying iMac Pro Buyers About Key Features
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All I want is a Mac without screen and with decent horse power. It should be able connect one or two high end hardware calibration displays for prepress like this. Upgradability would be nice.
They are nopt reinventing the wheel, nor they have to, stick with common shape and size, the HW is not designed from scratch either as Intel makes the CPU and Nvidia / AMD makes the video card.
Yes they need to get it right, but they need to just stick the right component in a regular shaped case.
Heck get the old Mac Pro case, resyle it and let people use swappable hardware (even if limited to 3-4 vendors) and people will buy it.
Although the dustbin MacPro emerged in 2013, 2 years after Jobs' death, I'd warrant that he had a hand in its design. And it was crap.
Steve was not a God. He made mistakes, too.
whats the point in asking people, they will still solder things in, use copious amounts of glue, use non standard screws and ports. They will only give you one type of port if they haven't removed it already....
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Totally different. Apple is not making a paradigm shift.
User Replaceable (using standard consumer off the shelf parts) for:
SSD Storage.
Normal (not ECC) RAM
Graphics cards. from Nvidia or AMD.
I may wish to put a GTX 2080Ti into one, with a Samsung SSD in a years time.
Are you listening to me Apple, will you let me buy those parts off Amazon and fit into my Mac Pro?
Yeah..... I'll keep wishing
SSD Storage.
Normal (not ECC) RAM
Graphics cards. from Nvidia or AMD.
I may wish to put a GTX 2080Ti into one, with a Samsung SSD in a years time.
Are you listening to me Apple, will you let me buy those parts off Amazon and fit into my Mac Pro?
Yeah..... I'll keep wishing
Have you actually used one on MacOS? Even the UI stutters with my 1080 Ti.
Also they aren't any more efficient, Nvidia doesn't have anything faster than the Pro 560X in <35W. All those Windows laptops that have at least a half-decent Nvidia GPU have terrible battery life.
All I can think of is the [supposed] Henry Ford quote.
“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”
Aren't they preaching to the converted? I mean if they bought an iMac pro then they buy into it's limitations and are just looking at confirmation bias. I would have thought asking professionals who didn't buy a Mac what it's missing you might get far more helpful answers!
I mean for me, the desire to have the latest hardware updated as an when it's available being no.1 and then the ability to upgrade high end machines with either external hardware using thunderbolt/usbc or the option to upgrade hard drive, ram, graphics etc. No one is stupid enough to want to buy the entire machine every time for workstations.
I mean for me, the desire to have the latest hardware updated as an when it's available being no.1 and then the ability to upgrade high end machines with either external hardware using thunderbolt/usbc or the option to upgrade hard drive, ram, graphics etc. No one is stupid enough to want to buy the entire machine every time for workstations.
Apple should ask cheese grater owner instead of iMac Pro buyer. Audience is not same.
We need powerful headless machine with easy access to internals, without proprietary connector. Is that simple.
I can't imagine I'm should pay PCIe box to attach my capture card on current Apple offering, while in cheese grater that's just simple piece of cake.
Mac Pro is all about modernize 5.1 is the answer Apple. Let iMac Pro became another segment to caters another user base.
Also, if possible please reduce annual OS upgrade cycle, or at least provide with 'workstation version of OSX' which less new shiny feature but works stable. Just security updates and updated internal (xcode, raw camera, new hardware support etc).
Why? Because sometimes OS updates gave unexpected hiccup and ruin my workflow. My main machine usually skip major 1-2 OS updates because resetting works environment from scratch is painful. Running latest OS only on separate machine and usually done within evaluation first.
We need powerful headless machine with easy access to internals, without proprietary connector. Is that simple.
I can't imagine I'm should pay PCIe box to attach my capture card on current Apple offering, while in cheese grater that's just simple piece of cake.
Mac Pro is all about modernize 5.1 is the answer Apple. Let iMac Pro became another segment to caters another user base.
Also, if possible please reduce annual OS upgrade cycle, or at least provide with 'workstation version of OSX' which less new shiny feature but works stable. Just security updates and updated internal (xcode, raw camera, new hardware support etc).
Why? Because sometimes OS updates gave unexpected hiccup and ruin my workflow. My main machine usually skip major 1-2 OS updates because resetting works environment from scratch is painful. Running latest OS only on separate machine and usually done within evaluation first.
Part of me think this is good, but a bigger part thinks if they need to ask they’re already too slow and flabby to get it
Irrelevant.
AMD currently doesn't have a GPU comparable to the 1080Ti in raw performance. It can only get close in a few compute tasks.
MacOS is basically sabotaging 1080ti"s true performance because it lacks proper support for it. Now this could change if Apple and Nvidia relations change.
They aren't? LoL
A typical workload that keeps the cards between 90-100%
The GTX 1080 performs better than the Vega 64 most of the time while consuming almost 2 times less power.
You can buy laptops with full fledged GTX 1070's in them and you are telling me that Nvidia's GPU's are not more efficient? That's a good one.
The 1080Ti consumes less power, doesn't get as hot and performs much better than a Vega 64.
Even the GTX 1080 consumes less power that an RX 580. How do you explain that?
Irrelevant. Nvidia's Pascal GPU's are so efficient that Windows OEM's can used GPU's like the 1050, 1050Ti or even the 1060 in thin from factors. TDP is configurable.
A full desktop GTX 1050Ti is faster and more efficient than a full desktop RX 560, so logicaly it will be faster and more efficient in a laptop form factor.
What laptops are those? Full GPU TDP can be used only when the laptop is plugged into a power source anyway.
The whole iMac Pro is a ludicrous idea by itself.
No Pro wants a CPU inside a screen, but an all-accessible, upgradeable box with multiple screens.
The iMac is a compromise product (coming out of Phil’s lower backside when that couldn’t innovate anymore, as per his own reference)
Apple took the casing that their warehouses were full of and thought their brilliant marketing would do the rest.
No Pro wants a CPU inside a screen, but an all-accessible, upgradeable box with multiple screens.
The iMac is a compromise product (coming out of Phil’s lower backside when that couldn’t innovate anymore, as per his own reference)
Apple took the casing that their warehouses were full of and thought their brilliant marketing would do the rest.
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I have to support Mac users at work, and decent tech would want to know the inner workings of a system they support. The T2 creates additional challenges to that support now since data recovery is impossible in the event of failure.
Apple Mac's are not special, Apple just hopes people will believe that and continue to pay through the nose for them while constantly removing useful features from them. You cherry pick that iMacs have SD card slots, however, had you clearly got the point I was trying to make they removed them from the Macbook lineup, which plenty of "Pros" use.
Either way, I am done arguing on this point. You all like your Mac systems, that's great. For me they lost the appeal they once had with the ever increasing price and reduced feature set.
Well, they should also survey why people are not buying an iMac Pro
- no space for spinny storage (yes, I need more than 4 Tb, no, I won't use external boxes)
- no way to install said spinny storage yourself
- no decent video card for the rest of us that don't do video editing
- does it thermally throttle or not? I still don't trust their brilliant cooling system, space is too small
- let me at least upgrade the ****ing ram
- their fancy schmancy T2 processor is as useful for me as a bicycle is to a fish
- no space for spinny storage (yes, I need more than 4 Tb, no, I won't use external boxes)
- no way to install said spinny storage yourself
- no decent video card for the rest of us that don't do video editing
- does it thermally throttle or not? I still don't trust their brilliant cooling system, space is too small
- let me at least upgrade the ****ing ram
- their fancy schmancy T2 processor is as useful for me as a bicycle is to a fish
I'm talking about mobile GPUs here, AMD sells binned chips to Apple that are much more efficient than the desktop ones.
The 50W notebook GTX 1050 is only 2% faster on average compared to the 35W 560X in benchmarks and 16% in games, so if you configure the TDP down to 35W it's most likely slower (34W is the minimum for the 1050, you can't configure 1050 TI or 1060 this low).
The most efficient GPUs are the mobile Vega chips in Kaby Lake G but since the CPUs are still quad core Apple had to choose between faster, more efficient GPUs or a 6 core CPU for the 2018 15" MBP (I'd have preferred KLG, the Coffee Lake chips throttle a lot anyway).
I think they finally got the iMac right with the iMac Pro.
A great work horse for those that like that form factor, thin, quiet, gorgeous and significant upgrade options that really should be bought upfront.
For the most part I think people are wanting that amount of horsepower in a Mac Pro that can be opened up easily and upgraded. If they had that as an option, I think a lot Less would be bashing the iMac Pro.
But at this time there isn’t anything else to choose from and it really doesn’t suit all users.
Hopeful tomorrow’s annoucements give us a hint of other options even if it’s not released until Feb.
I must admit, a Mac iMini that has the iMac video options, up to 64 gigs of ram 2-4 thunderbolt 3, a couple legacy USB would be a kick butt little powerhouse, even if we couldn’t pop the hatch and fiddle inside.
A great work horse for those that like that form factor, thin, quiet, gorgeous and significant upgrade options that really should be bought upfront.
For the most part I think people are wanting that amount of horsepower in a Mac Pro that can be opened up easily and upgraded. If they had that as an option, I think a lot Less would be bashing the iMac Pro.
But at this time there isn’t anything else to choose from and it really doesn’t suit all users.
Hopeful tomorrow’s annoucements give us a hint of other options even if it’s not released until Feb.
I must admit, a Mac iMini that has the iMac video options, up to 64 gigs of ram 2-4 thunderbolt 3, a couple legacy USB would be a kick butt little powerhouse, even if we couldn’t pop the hatch and fiddle inside.
Yep
Thats whats disturbing about apple these days.
You state the obvious but they bring out that stupid round thing years ago after years of stagnation.
Apple has lost its way.
Very sad!
I sincerely hope that 'Space Gray finish' isn't going to win the poll.
It probably already is one of the machine's most discussed features among podcasters.
Just... the idea of people buying $5000 workstations for a colour is a sick sign of the times.
It probably already is one of the machine's most discussed features among podcasters.
Just... the idea of people buying $5000 workstations for a colour is a sick sign of the times.
